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Jacque Fresco - Looking Backward, Truth, Learning, Semantics - August 6, 1976

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..i'm lying, you know? And so I keep looking back, you know I'm 60 years old and I look back, "Jesus Christ, those were the days" I don't know how those were the days because I was a pinhead then. And i have learned so many new things now, that I keep looking forward. People begin to worry about their aging process, but they don't understand that you're picking up new bits, and you can handle a situation. Would you rather be 17 again? -No way. - Or would you want the value system of when you were 17? See? You know what I mean, its not worth a shit. Now, it must be something quite interesting as people keep looking back to their youth, how much they've really missed, or how little they've learned in time. What they've been doing is going around in a barrel, you know what I mean, on a motorcycle continuously. And then they lost the ability to do that, and they went downhill and their income is less, and they were invited to less social affairs, and back here they keep thinking about a motorcycle in the barrel, those were the big days. So they get older and older, and they can hardly ride a motorcycle now and they're still over there. And they go back, i was telling some of the people here about my family, they lived through the depression and they actually never did travel much, and then once they went to Atlantic City for three weeks. Boy, for twenty years thereafter, "Did we ever tell you about the time we went to Atlantic City." You know, there's nothing there but ocean, boardwalk they didn't do anything unusual. But they remember that, and a lot of people in scarcity remember that in the early days. But you meet kids today, 17, they've been to Paris and England and France, you know, "I was in California.." stuff like that. The world is shrinking, people move around they drive across country, they go to Yellowstone National Park many times and it doesn't mean anything. And how do you talk to people that have locked on to that, that have lived through the last depression? Are you, will you be discriminating against them? You just say "I don't place much value on that kind of conversation". You say "do you like honesty?" I would say "it's the only way to be" "Then I don't place any value on your conversation". Not anymore. People don't want honesty, what the hell's honesty? Honesty would be the most offensive kind of behavior you can think of. Diogenes found an honest man, the guy to tell him "you're never going to find anything resembling an honest man". To be honest you would have to know everything about everything, to be that certain. You know if someone asked you to tell them the truth, you say "I'm not that wise. I can only tell you a little bit of what I know about a given subject". Some of you may not understand that. No one can tell the truth. The truth would mean, that the judge in convicting somebody was a victim of circumstances, and he was very angry at the person who committed the crime, because his values had no bridge to understand the physical forces, that caused that person to commit that crime. Whereas, Clarence Darrow said that the man who commits the crime is the same as any other man except the circumstances they were raised under were different and it led them to that conclusion. He didn't get mad at people. And so, how do you deal with all those things? And do you want to? And sometimes its better for you to collect a helluva lot of books, build a lot of things, learn a lot of things, as much as you can, and go to areas where you can share some of those things on physical anthropology, you meet with these people and then the physical anthropologist and you share what you can with them. And you talk with electronics people about electronic subjects, and engineers about engineering subjects. But I find that if you deviate too much from the subject, you lose contact. If you surpass your friends in electronics then you can't visit them anymore, you know? You find this, that the people you were very close to 10 years ago, "I don't know what happened, but I became a loner" What happens is that people are not that interesting to you any more. You don't place a value in the subjects they cherish. You know, i don't know what to say when someone says "come on over to the house, it's my baby's birthday". "Well, put the baby in the other room and we'll sit down and bullshit". I used to say to my brother "come on over but leave the kids home". He knew what I meant, but he didn't like it. He didn't like it, do you understand what I mean? That is all those kids over there. How'd you get to be an uncle? What's an uncle? Is an uncle a thing that can give you a blood transfusion if you need it? Is an uncle any physical referential thing that concern? Just a victim of certain values, "this is my nephew". Well, maybe that person was switched in the hospital, maybe you took the wrong kid home. Maybe it's not your nephew. I don't even know if my kids are my kids, I really honestly don't know that. They may be, they may not be, but it doesn't matter. You treat all kids you don't have to worry about that. I don't want Fresco stamped on the thumb. Besides my daughter doesn't have Fresco. She gets married, and lose her name. Doesn't serve, the idea Fresco name on the future. And i don't want that. What would we want it for? Now Ford of course, he's a smart guy. You buy a truck and you carry a label on the back, Ford. You're a living billboard for the Ford Motor Company. I don't want his fuckin' name on it, I paid for that truck, I want Fresco's great visions or whatever the hell I've got to sell on the back of that truck. But there are people that drive trucks with the names of companies. They are intruding, I can send them a bill, because they have posted their name on my truck without asking. You wouldn't get anywhere. But, some people do that, they can't do it in architecture, i don't think they ever have a "Louis B. Schmidt Home". I don't think I've ever seen that. I've seen buildings called Rockefeller Center, I've seen things like that. But if I buy the building, you tear down the name, people can't find you anymore. So they buy a corporation and sometimes they buy the name, it might be your company, John's Company. And everybody knows it and they buy a lot of stuff from that company. And some people when they buy you out they don't want to change the name. And if somebody later finds out that John's company became the most corrupt company in the world, they would pull their friends away from you. You said "but I'm no longer affiliated", doesn't make any difference. Isn't that interesting? That's the sad thing about people. And if you found out i have been married for 20 years and my wife was a prostitute. The neighbours are not going to invite me over. I said "i didn't know that". And so they have a certain set about those things, "they are bad people". I don't even know how to wrestle with it, or even know where to begin. And is it worth beginning? Alright, before i get on with the subject i want to talk about with you tonight, i just want to say that when I went back to New York and all the relatives came over, my mother was about 80 years old, and i "poisoned" them; I hit them with thousands of different values and their kids were there and my sister came out and said "don't you use that kind of language in my home". So I said "well I can leave now" and all the relatives said "No, it's a good idea for the kids to hear that.." and they voted her out. And she went back into the kitchen and started to cook. But she was invited in, she wasn't kept out of things. Now, no one turned and said "don't you have any respect for your sister?" I don't even know what respect means. I say that the reason that I talk to you, my relatives like this is because i respect you. That's hard to understand. You know "Fuck that shit" to my relatives and I say "I respect you, i don't conceal that, i must trust your ability to handle this linguistic difference". So respect is the ability to say to somebody "I've got bleeding piles" i don't care about your piles, then why do you ask me how my floppy eyelid was? You know, aren't you concerned about my health? say, "well, I've got a headache". People, that's all they wanted, give them an aspirin. Says I've got an infected ear must be very painful. But very few people walk around saying "I've got an infected asshole", you know, how do you do that? I used to say years ago to my wife "I've got to take a shit". She said "don't tell me just go do it". And so she says "I'm going out to hang the laundry on the line" or "I'm going out to get a quart of milk", you know? "We want to share all things" she says "but not that". So you run into a lot of problems and I just want to briefly say this. It's the story of driving the car to the garage and you say to the mechanic whats wrong with it, and he says its the differential housing, which you said how can you talk about that part of the car. How can you talk about that part of the car? When you talk about everything and anything without inhibition, except in a judge in a court of law because he doesn't want to know anything. You can't confront the judge and say "how do you make that decision?" He's got a book in front of him that tells him what decision to make. He's not interested in other concepts and ideas. You can't get up as the free American thinker. They'll say I don't hold on that point of view i consider it obsolete. - And for 1000 dollars? - Ah, now you're communicating. That's real semantics. You buy the guy, you buy the judge or you put the congressman in there. You don't have to tell him every week what you want, he knows what you want, cause he gets the check. If it stops coming he can't operate. We're going to talk about biochemical conditioning and learning without experience. And here is a possibility of that, and it has nothing to do with the worm experiments, or the DNA. It has to do with something like this. In the learning process of all organisms there is an input device; you pick it up from your nose, your eyes, your ears, your tongue, and they all come into the brain, and there are all kinds of cross associations. But if you could impart information into people, if you could do this. Put two electrodes on the head of the person, and play information into the brain you will not have the cross associations. You will have a glass and you'll have milk, and you'll have milk in the glass, but how come it's put in the glass as a container, and why you selected that will not be known. But if you pipe that in, you'll have a file on milk, glass, drinking milk in glass and there will be very little cross associations. You keep pumping the cross associations, let me say this way. I can say it in a way in which you can understand it. Now i thought about it, maybe it's a misunderstanding. Here's how you understand it, lets assume that, due to shock, Ben lost his ability to walk. He just can't walk, he is frightened and saw some horrible condition and he's unable to walk. So we stick two electrodes into the muscle in the spinal area, and we play the walking cycle into his legs, you know what i mean? Now, "how is he walking". He says "believe me i really don't know" and there he is walking. And a lot of people think, because you can walk, that you know how you walk. Even people that can walk don't know how they walk. They don't say "there's a discharge at spine differential in the center causes contraction 4000 binding muscles on the left area" They don't know that, they don't know how they walk. If you turn to a person and say "can you see? I've been blind for years" "how can you see?" and a person, "yes, with my eyes". That's no fucking answer. People think they're answering questions. How do you learn to walk with crutches? He says "like this." And even in books on semantics there's no information. So the question is "what is learning?" Now, does a person who can't do any weaving, who can't weave a blanket, if I connect a fact electrode to the head and transmit to the brain and nervous system and they start weaving, they're amazed, as amazed as you are. And so we say "how do you do it?" "oh, I don't know, I've got some thing connected to my head" and then you say "stop doing that, scratch my back" and the hands won't do that, if you're playing that loop. If you play a walking loop, and decide not to walk, you go right on walking. I don't know if you've ever had a high voltage thing put in your hand and it (hand) closes on you. In the early days, an electrician, trying to see if something is alive, would go like that, if it was live his hand would close on it, on a wire like that. and he will die, and so what they do, they'll hit it like that, and it reflexes the other way. depends on the olmage. But if it throws the arc, Iif a guy is working on an electrical system and he's down on his knee, and he makes contact, these muscles contract, and I've seen a guy crack his head on the ceiling. He'd never jump that high, 250 volts right up to the ceiling, clunk. We say "how did you do that?" He doesn't know how he did it. They don't know the difference between conditioning, which moves a muscle, or a reflex, artificial reflex. Let's take a Frenchman who can't speak English. Let's assume we can do this, run electrodes to the brain, or to the Broca's area of the brain, and record it, How are you Sam? I'm from Brooklyn, call me Paul? You're running electrodes in. He doesn't know what he's saying. Neither does a Frenchman. If you turn to a Frenchman and said "give me a cup of coffee" in French said what do you mean by a cup of coffee? You know, a cup of coffee, doesn't know what that is either. That is why it is confusing, you say 'how is it working out,' but he never says 'how are you working it out' he can't say how he worked it out, because there is no certainty to tell you how to work it out. When you learn to ski, you don't learn how to learn about how you are learning to ski. You just get on the skis and the guy says, you know, "turn your toes in and lean when you're going downhill this way or that way, or you want to turn, jump, you know, or one of the worst things to do is; they are giving you the gross reflexes necessary for that. But if they gave you a description, of all the muscles involved in learning to ski; you got to learn how to control, you've got to learn how to flex this muscle, or learn how to twist my wrist. I want to say something about the learning process. It is not so much that we really learn, but we're stimulated to simulate parallel verbal behavior, and verbal behavior that others require of us. Like if you hold up a dog a little while and feed it, then put your hands under it and feed it, pretty soon it gets up, and you say to the dog "how do you do that?" the dog doesn't say "well come on in the other room and I'll lay it out". Its the same thing with love, hand holding, the whole story. We don't know what it is, because they never grabbed us when we were young and conditioned us, to a method of analyzing the kind of conditioning that's being superimposed upon us. And the more books you read, that are quite different from the cultural views that are established, something happens in your head. You get a different kind of set. And so you hear different views and you reject it right away. You don't get conditioned, because now you have a screening process. The stuff comes in and bounces off. I'm sure you've read a lot of books and said "hogwash" and some of the areas were a lie, you know what I mean by developing a screening process? You can be conditioned by certain people if they have the elements to condition you, and you can condition certain people. And if you succeed in getting a guy to read Loeb or a gal to read Loeb and other books and "Tyranny of Words" and many of the books that you like, it doesn't mean that the rest of the mental set is going to be able to file it in the appropriate regions. subscribe... thanks!

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Duration: 15 minutes and 48 seconds
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Jacque Fresco lecture excerpt - August 6, 1976.

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