Zemos98

Zemos98? Where am I? It's an space and a time for audiovisual and digital culture This year we dedicate it to expanded education. But you organize concerts, expositions, conferences... Right, because we are now talking about a Zemos98 festival, but Zemos98 is a project that includes a lot of another things. And this year, What matter is dedicated for [the festival]? I have listened something like expanded education but i don't have it very clear. It is summarized in the subtitle: "Education must occur in any moment and place" Like in Zemos98... Like in Zemos98, at school or outside. When we are coming in the school we are entering in the culture of silence. Expand the knowledge means pass from the culture of silence to the culture of the question. And we enter in a libertarian pedagogy dynamics. I would like that you knew that Jesus Martin Barbero is coming He is an antropogist, semiologist, communicator and professor that comes from Colombia. Brian Lamb he's going to talk about "Edupunk". You will have to ask him, I suppose. I take notes about that and I ask it then. All right. And Ronaldo Lemos, that comes from Brazil, and he are going to talk with us about free culture and techno brega. I will take notes about them too. Thank you very much. Thanks to you. Hi Ronaldo. Could you tell me what is expanded education? Well, one of the interesting things about education is that is chaging really fast. And it's very funny because tecnology when bringed to education, expand the possibilities of knowledge. I think that learning is one of those terms that have a bit ambiguity Like "love" You don't need to have present the definition, but you know it's happening and we need it to live. Surely, we don't pretend to have an exact theory about what expanded education means, but i clearly think pretty much that every attempt of read, to find out, to challenge it to grow as an expansion, like all it implies, is some positive for that. And it is opening up a lot of experiments some of them will not work, but a lot of energy and innovation are happening. The opportunity to education is also going on, in which professors are getting to learn a lot by the contact they have with their students. So I think this is only the begining of a lot of possibilities there is in the education they will come up becaus of this fusion between tecnology and education. Can you tell me one of those possibilities? One of the things that is going on, specially in a country like Brazil, is that there is a phenomenon of inclusion. When you have access to a very poor place, sometimes that place which that not eve have access to schools, what happens is people gets really curious about the information and there is a lot of self teaching going on. There is really a revolution going on in the sense that there is people that had been always disconnected from knowledge as a whole, and right now they finally get the possibility of not to get some knowledge, but get all the knowledge in the world. The way they are dealing with that, the metodology they are inventing based in this new perspective is really fantastic. I think the idea of expanded education tryes to learn not only in the conventional system, but in the non conventional. People is inventing their own ways of learning, and that's the most exciting of all. ¡No no no! If education can happen any time and any place, Do schools make sense? That's an excelent question. The school is being transformed. And there's a lot of institutions already changing thanks to technology, and schools is one of them. I like to think that there are things that schools can do to help the educational process like providing contacts, access to people whom vital experience or studies or work has led them that we may learn from them. I think schools have the hability to attract funds, infrastructures, and support the students. We imagine that the schools if we recreate an important institution nowadays, based on how to build knowledge and social needs, we will be creative enough to carrying out these changes to build institutions that are relevant. The school will have to rethink, not in terms of modernization with technological help, with gadgets, but rethink how to interact with their societies when it comes to socializing knowledge that is the old generation, the adults, but also to introduce youth sensibilities in their own world, in their own ways of work. How can we change schools? There's a lot of small things that we can do that have a big impact immediately. Attracting students and sharing knowledge with the profesors. Many times, students, because they are young, have a lot of knowledge that teachers don't have. For example, like using basic software tools. People can flip it over and participate in the construction of knowledge and experimentation. This is the important thing to do. sharing the knowledge, sharing tools, sharing methodologies, sharing ways of clasify the information, organize information ... in a different way. The think is that information is abundant. Every personal can think about a new idea, new perspective, or how to reorganize the information. And that's very important for the future. Here should be included in education as soon as possible. What Edupunk means? Because Rubén Díaz tell me to ask you this question. Ruben is a trouble maker. ¿Why is not Edupop? If you want to do Edupop, do Edupop. I don't think that Edupunk says how you should do things all the time. When I listen pop music I think about comercial, easy to produce... Pop can be great. I listen a lot, that's not the point. People say Punk, but not Pop because the idea is that it don't have to be perfect. or polished, not commercially acceptable. And I think this is what people like about the idea of Edupunk. Even when they do not like Punk music. My last question: ¿Did you where a good student? That's a good question. I can't complain, but I was that kind of student always seated at the end of the class, and I hated thos who were seated at the first row for being too conformist, they accepted everything, and took everything for fact. Understanding they way of how the formal system works, but being capable of rewrite those rules, not necessarily comply with them. The challenge is not only being that way, but also Include these possibilities within the educational system. Then we'll be ok. Thank you for the interview Thanks Ok, bye... Bye! What's expanded education for you? For me it's education, after all. It's the real comunication process that happens between people who generates knowledge. What's happening everyday in the street, family, home, and even on the Internet. Generating a challenge, a very big challenge for tradicional school, college, that has to implement all such practices in their ways. Not as part of such practices, but how the institutions integrated into daily life and learning that happens out of their spaces.