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Zemos98?
Where am I?
It's an space and a time for
audiovisual and digital culture
This year we dedicate it to
expanded education.
But you organize concerts,
expositions, conferences...
Right, because we are now talking about
a Zemos98 festival,
but Zemos98 is a project that
includes a lot of another things.
And this year, What matter is dedicated for [the festival]?
I have listened something like expanded education
but i don't have it very clear.
It is summarized in the subtitle:
"Education must occur
in any moment and place"
Like in Zemos98...
Like in Zemos98, at school or outside.
When we are coming in the school
we are entering in the culture of silence.
Expand the knowledge means
pass from the culture of silence
to the culture of the question.
And we enter in a
libertarian pedagogy dynamics.
I would like that you knew
that Jesus Martin Barbero is coming
He is an antropogist, semiologist,
communicator and professor
that comes from Colombia.
Brian Lamb
he's going to talk about "Edupunk".
You will have to ask him, I suppose.
I take notes about that and I ask it then.
All right.
And Ronaldo Lemos, that comes from Brazil,
and he are going to talk with us about free culture
and techno brega.
I will take notes about them too.
Thank you very much.
Thanks to you.
Hi Ronaldo.
Could you tell me what is expanded education?
Well,
one of the interesting things
about education
is that is chaging really fast.
And it's very funny because
tecnology when bringed
to education,
expand the possibilities
of knowledge.
I think that learning
is one of those terms
that have a bit ambiguity
Like "love"
You don't need to have present the definition, but
you know it's happening
and we need it to live.
Surely, we don't pretend to have an exact
theory about what
expanded education means, but
i clearly think pretty much that every attempt
of read, to find out, to challenge it
to grow as an expansion,
like all it implies,
is some positive for that.
And it is opening up a lot of experiments
some of them will not work,
but a lot of energy
and innovation are happening.
The opportunity to education
is also going on, in which professors
are getting to learn a lot
by the contact they have
with their students.
So I think this is only the begining of
a lot of possibilities
there is in the education
they will come up becaus of this fusion
between tecnology and education.
Can you tell me one
of those possibilities?
One of the things that is going on,
specially in a country
like Brazil,
is that there is a phenomenon of inclusion.
When you have access to
a very poor place,
sometimes that place which that not eve have
access to schools,
what happens is people
gets really curious
about the information
and there is a lot of self teaching going on.
There is really a revolution going on
in the sense that
there is people that had been always
disconnected from knowledge as a whole,
and right now they finally get the possibility of
not to get some knowledge,
but get all the knowledge
in the world.
The way they are dealing with that,
the metodology they are inventing
based in this new perspective
is really fantastic.
I think the idea of expanded education
tryes to learn not only
in the conventional system,
but in the non conventional.
People is inventing their
own ways of learning,
and that's the most exciting of all.
¡No no no!
If education can happen
any time and any place,
Do schools make sense?
That's an excelent question.
The school is being transformed.
And there's a lot of institutions
already changing
thanks to technology,
and schools is one of them.
I like to think that there are things
that schools can do to
help the educational process
like providing contacts,
access to people whom
vital experience or studies
or work has led them
that we may learn from them.
I think schools have the hability
to attract funds, infrastructures,
and support the students.
We imagine that the schools
if we recreate an important
institution nowadays, based on
how to build knowledge
and social needs,
we will be creative enough to
carrying out these changes
to build institutions
that are relevant.
The school will have to rethink,
not in terms of modernization
with technological help,
with gadgets,
but rethink
how to interact with their societies
when it comes to socializing
knowledge that is the old
generation, the adults,
but also to
introduce youth
sensibilities
in their own world,
in their own ways of work.
How can we change schools?
There's a lot of small things that
we can do that
have a big impact immediately.
Attracting students
and sharing knowledge
with the profesors.
Many times, students,
because they are young,
have a lot of knowledge that
teachers don't have.
For example, like using
basic software tools.
People can flip it over and
participate in the construction of
knowledge and experimentation.
This is the important thing to do.
sharing the knowledge,
sharing tools,
sharing methodologies,
sharing ways of
clasify the information,
organize information ...
in a different way.
The think is
that information is abundant.
Every personal can think about
a new idea, new perspective,
or how to reorganize the information.
And that's very important
for the future.
Here should be included in education
as soon as possible.
What Edupunk means?
Because Rubén Díaz
tell me to ask you this question.
Ruben is a trouble maker.
¿Why is not Edupop?
If you want to do Edupop, do Edupop.
I don't think that Edupunk says how
you should do things all the time.
When I listen pop music
I think about comercial, easy to produce...
Pop can be great.
I listen a lot, that's not the point.
People say Punk, but not Pop
because the idea is that it don't
have to be perfect.
or polished,
not commercially acceptable.
And I think this is what people like
about the idea of Edupunk.
Even when they do not like Punk music.
My last question:
¿Did you where a good student?
That's a good question.
I can't complain,
but I was that kind of student
always seated at
the end of the class,
and I hated thos who
were seated at the first row
for being too conformist,
they accepted everything,
and took everything for fact.
Understanding they way of
how the formal system works,
but being capable of
rewrite those rules,
not necessarily comply with them.
The challenge is not only
being that way, but also
Include these possibilities
within the educational system.
Then we'll be ok.
Thank you for the interview
Thanks
Ok, bye...
Bye!
What's expanded education for you?
For me
it's education, after all.
It's the real comunication process
that happens between people
who generates knowledge.
What's happening everyday in
the street, family, home,
and even on the Internet.
Generating a challenge,
a very big challenge for tradicional
school, college,
that has to implement all
such practices in their ways.
Not as part of such practices,
but how the institutions
integrated into daily life and
learning that happens
out of their spaces.