Episode #16 Refugees
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So, Ahmed, what is a Palestinian refugee, and what is an Israeli refugee?
So, a Palestinian refugee
is anyone who is Palestinian
who was kicked out of his land in any way.
Being kicked out of your land could be
silently, by laws, discriminating laws against Palestinians
it may lead to them to be
kicked out of their home
in a way, and being outside of their home.
So, there are still some
until now there some people
who are being displaced
and for me Palestinian refugees
are anyone who was
kicked out of his land.
Israeli refugee
maybe I would call it
more 'Jewish refugee'
this is Jewish people who
were expelled also
from their homes.
maybe from the Arab countries
from Europe.
This is how I would
define an Israeli refugee.
Do you see yourself as a refugee?
For me,
I'm not a son of a refugee,
and I'm not a refugee myself.
But maybe if I go out of Jerusalem
and travel to any other country
Palestinians who live in Jerusalem
- you can't travel abroad
and stay for seven years
if you stay more than seven years
they would take away your ID.
Which is not the same for Israeli citizens.
So
and sometimes it is even less.
In law it says that you cannot stay abroad
for seven years;
but in practice sometimes it is even less.
So I'm afraid of being a refugee,
but I'm not a refugee.
For you, what is a Palestinian refugee
and what is an Israeli refugee?
So for me a Palestinian
refugee is a person who
in the '48 war was
banished from his home.
and is now not living in Israel or Palestine.
So in Lebanon, I know that
there are refugee camps
and so on, and in other
places in the world.
An Israeli refugee -
I would never use that term
but I guess that -
my grandparents came here from Iraq
so they could be considered as refugees.
But it is not that they
have any wish to go back.
So, I wouldn't call them refugees.
Arabs in refugee camps in Palestine -
For me...
I think that for such a long time
there should have been
homes built for them already
where they are now,
even if the conflict is ongoing,
just so they won't stay
in that horrible situation.
that they are in now.
They are technically in the land
that is defined as Palestine
whether or not people should go back
to the territory of Israel,
I think that if it's possible demographically
obviously I would support that;
While the State of Israel
is still a Jewish state
just because I think the
Jewish people want a place
to practice their religion
solely.