NHT Day 08 04 Mixing Foam
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Welcome, everybody to mixing and foam.
We've basically talked about
graphing already,
so, you know,
you've got the graph together,
you've figured out
what's going on with that,
you've taken a look at it.
You've done your footer test
to see how deep the footers are.
You've done your volume calculation.
You've decided how much material
you need to mix up,
and you've got your PPE on,
and you're all ready to go.
So we're gonna be talking about
mixing the materials
and mixing and foam today.
So let's take a look at our objectives
and see what's going on here.
And this is what we're gonna
try to accomplish, all right?
Okay, we're gonna take a look
at what are some of the safety
best practices
and PPE that we wear,
if we're gonna be mixing
this kind of material.
We're gonna take a look at
how do you calculate
the right number of ounces of Termidor
that you need to mix with water
to get the gallons
that you need to do the job
you need to do.
Then we're gonna also take a look
at foam treatment,
you know, "When is foam a good option?
How do I mix foam?
What are the different types of foam?"
That type of thing, all right?
Now, with that being said,
let's start out
with a question for you guys,
all right?
And the question is very simply this.
What's the dilution percentage
or strength for Termidor SC
that you use the most often?
Is it A, B, or C,
that you use the most often?
Everybody votes.
Everybody votes.
Now let's take a look at
and see what you came up with.
All right, not bad, not bad,
looks like most people picked A,
and according to the label,
A is the most frequent option
that we use.
Okay, the 0.6.
You can use the other two
under certain circumstances
but 0.6 is the preferred solution
that we're going to use.
Now let's take a look at that,
okay, I'm gonna put a,
the kind of the chart that
you're gonna find on the label up here.
And you can see that it's broken
into three sections all right,
it's also broken in terms of,
you know,
"How much do I need to make
100 gallons, 50 gallons,
25 gallons or 1 gallon?"
All right?
Now, we've talked a little bit
about a label in the law about,
you know, abiding by the label,
and one of the determinations
that was made
is that's a pretty important thing
to do, right?
So this chart shows you
how many ounces
that you're gonna need to do
these different concoctions, all right?
Now, with that being said
I wanna give you, guys,
the opportunity to have
a little firsthand experience,
so we're gonna do this exercise.
And it says how many ounces
do I need to mix 100 gallons?
How many ounces of Termidor SC
do I need to make 100 gallons?
Go ahead and make your choice.
Let's check this out.
Excellent, everybody got it right,
I like it.
Okay.
Yeah, it's right there,
100 gallons is 78 ounces,
that's pretty simple, right?
If I wanted to make 50,
it's got the number
right underneath it there,
how many ounces I need.
So this makes this user friendly,
this label.
And, termite specialists,
if you're doing
a lot of termite treatment with liquid,
I would keep that handy
and make your life easy.
So all I got to do is figure
how many gallons
you're gonna need to do the job,
all right?
Let's do one a little bit
more challenging, okay?
Let's take a look at this one.
You figure out that you're gonna
need about 292 gallons
to do the work, okay,
because remember,
every gallon of Termidor
that you mix, okay,
you're gonna have 0.6%
of active ingredient,
and 99.94% of inert ingredients,
you know, water
and anything else in there, all right?
Now, obviously, if the mix isn't right,
it's not gonna come out right,
so how many ounces
am I gonna need here
to create 292 gallons?
You know you can use the calculators,
no problem with that.
Let's get everybody voting.
Everybody voting.
Let's take a look at this.
Let's see how much you came up with.
Okay, pretty good, looks like
just about everybody got this,
so we had a couple of folks for A,
one for C,
let's take a look at this,
what I'd like somebody to do is call in
and tell us how you got this answer.
Okay?
How did you get this answer?
So let's take a phone caller now,
explain to the group
how did you come up with B.
Let's go to Darryl
in the Georgia region,
Darryl, go ahead and tell us about it.
Rounded up the 292 to 300 gallons
and then put 3 times 78
to give you 234.
All right.
That was simple enough, right?
Thank you, Darryl, for the phone call.
So did you hear what he said?
He just figured, "Hey, look, 292,
I'll just make it 300."
It doesn't hurt to have
a little extra, right?
And if it's 78 ounces for 100,
I'll just take 3 times that,
and I get 234.
Okay, quick poll question,
how many of you, oops,
how many of you did it that way?
"Yes, I did."
"No, I didn't."
How many of you did it that way?
Oh!
We got six or seven who didn't.
Okay, one of you that
did not do it that way,
I want you to call in
and tell us how you did it.
How'd you do it?
So let's get another caller.
How'd you do it?
So you have 15 that did it this way,
we have 7 that did it some other way.
So one of the seven call in
and tell us how did you do it.
And we need your call
sooner rather than later.
Come on, step up to the plate,
share the secret.
So I guess the, Stormy,
is there something wrong
with the phones
that nobody is able to call in to me?
So I'm not getting
any phone calls here.
Right, somebody step up to the plate.
How did you figure it out,
if you did something different,
how did you do it?
All right,
let's talk to Michael in Virginia,
Michael, go ahead.
Go ahead.
All right.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, go ahead.
I just did the 0.8 times 92,
gave me those ounces,
and then the 78 times 2,
came out to 229,
and I rounded it up
to find that number but...
Yeah, that's okay.
Yeah.
All right, very good, thank you.
So, did you hear what he said?
Now let's get back here to this table.
He said, "Look, what I did
is I just took the 1 gallon rate, 0.08,
okay or 0.8 I should say,
and I multiplied it times
the number of gallons
and that got me pretty close.
I mean 0.8 times 292
is gonna give you about 233.6,
so if you round it off,
it's 234, okay?
That's how I came up with it."
Okay, let's go to, let's see.
Michael, are you calling back
or did you just come back up again?
Okay, you're alive if you want to talk.
Okay, I guess not.
Okay.
Okay, so you have two ways
to do this then, all right?
You can just take and round up
or you can just take
the 0.8 ounces rate for 1 gallon
and multiply it times number of gallons
you're trying to make.
Okay?
Let me just do a poll question.
Does everybody,
how many of you think you get that?
How many of you think you get it?
Everybody.
Oh, good, then.
Well, that should make
this next one then simpler.
Okay, here's another one.
Okay, the job, you need
240 gallons of finished product,
how many ounces
are you gonna need?
240 gallons, I need to do this job.
Now let's get a caller to tell us
how you did it,
'cause it doesn't hurt
to hear it a second time.
St. Petersburg,
we need you to vote.
Philadelphia, we need you to vote.
Delray Beach,
I don't think anybody's at Delray.
Let's take a look at this one.
Okay, it looks like just about
everybody got it right,
but gee, I guess some people didn't.
All right, where's the caller to tell us
how you got the answer?
So the answer's a 195 ounces,
how'd you get it?
Let's go to Robert in Dallas,
Fort Worth.
Robert, go ahead and tell us.
Yeah, I just multiplied 0.8
by 240, 240 gallons.
And did that give you 195?
192 then rounded up.
Yeah, 'cause there was no 192 option,
so yeah.
So that's good, yeah, you're fine.
Okay, so it's the same thing, okay,
he took the 0.8 times the 240,
got a 192 ounces,
there's no 192 as an option.
Or the other option is to take,
you know, round it up to 250,
take 78 plus 78 plus half of 78,
which is 39
and you'll get 195 ounces.
So these are some of the things
you have to be able to do
when you're out there
trying to calculate
how much of this, you know,
active ingredient do I need.
Remember I can't,
I don't wanna over treat,
I don't wanna make
this concentration bigger than
what it needs to be,
you know, more concentrated
'cause it could create a problem
down the road for us
should anybody check the,
do some sol samples on our treatment,
so keep that in mind.
All right, now, does everybody think
they have a handle on that?
And I'm particularly concerned
about the termite specialists,
since you're going
to be the ones mixing it.
So yes or no,
"Yeah, I got it, Tim, I'm good to go."
Walk in the park, no problem, I'm good.
All right, everybody says they got it.
All right.
Okay, another thing
you have to be concerned about
if you're going to mix this material
as your personal protective equipment,
so one of the things you have to do
is check the label
and see what you're allowed to do here,
so before you start mixing,
you want to make sure
you're familiar with the Termidor label.
Make sure that you use
all the required PPE that's required,
and if you don't have all that PPE,
you need to get it,
'cause otherwise,
you're violating the label
which is not a good thing.
And you can see here it says
that all pesticide handlers,
mixers, loaders,
applicators must wear, must wear,
doesn't say might wear,
it says must wear a long-sleeved shirt,
long pants, socks, shoes, guys,
not sneakers, shoes,
and chemical-resistant gloves.
Also says that you should
wear a dust/mist
filtering respirator,
to clean confined areas.
And you go down a little bit further,
it tells you about your eyewear, okay,
wearing safety glasses with front, brow,
and temple protection.
When working
in a non-ventilated space including
but not limited to crawl spaces,
basements, etcetera, etcetera.
So, you know,
we've already talked about the PPE
under equipment safety,
so you gotta make sure
that you get it right.
Now, I've got Joe, I'm going
to put up here, okay, this is Joe.
And what I want you to think about
is what should Joe wear?
Okay?
Joe is going to be mixing
some termiticides,
so according to the label,
which PPE should Joe be wearing.
So mark all those things
that you think Joe should be wearing.
What should Joe be wearing?
St. Petersburg, you need to vote.
Let's take a look at this one.
Well, this is kind of interesting
as it looks like most of you got it,
so let's take a look.
Okay, obviously one of the things
a label requires,
if you gotta be mixing material,
you need to wear
chemical resisting gloves,
don't wear the leather gloves
'cause they'll absorb the material.
You need the goggles,
it said there at the bottom of the label
that you need either a face shield
or goggles with front,
brow and temple protection.
Okay, you have to mix
in a long-sleeved shirt.
"But I don't have one, Tim,
what I mean what..."
Hey, remember what happens,
who pays if you get fined?
Gee,
I never got a long-sleeved shirt,
they just gave me short-sleeved shirts,
so what do I do now?"
What do I do now?
Not treat?
Yeah, you got to make sure
you have long-sleeved shirts
of some kind, all right?
You cannot mix, you cannot deliver
the treatment without having
or wearing a long-sleeved shirt
unless you want to pay the fine
if you get caught.
So keep that in mind.
So talk to your manager
and then I want to just qualify
here that last item.
It says you need a respirator, okay,
that's if you're gonna be
in a confined space mixing,
most of the time you're gonna be mixing
out in the wild blue yonder,
and, you know,
out where there's plenty of air,
so it's not like
you're being limited, okay.
So let's make sure
we wear the PPE everybody,
you know, that's why we give it to you.
Don't think that, you know,
you're above doing that,
you know,
"I don't like, it's not stylish,
you know, I don't like wearing goggles,
you know, it's no good."
Well, if it splashes in your eye
and causes you a problem,
you'll probably wish you
had those goggles on.
So you got to make sure
that you do that.
So keep that in mind.
So you might wanna review
the process at your branch
of how you mix this material
and make sure
you're following the right procedures,
have somebody else check you out,
make sure you have the right PPE,
make sure you're doing it the right way,
that type of thing.
All right, let's look at,
let's look at a couple of things
that are gonna be real important
when you deliver
this liquid treatment, all right?
Okay, the first thing is
you have to know what backflow is.
Okay, backflow basically
can occur anytime
throughout the day, in the evening,
water pressure varies,
okay, it depends where you are.
And you can be in the middle
of the treatment,
all of a sudden there's a big drop
in water pressure
and what happens
is it will suck the material
back in to the water supply,
which in this case is gonna be
your customer's water supply,
you know, their hose bib outside.
So we don't like that to happen,
so that's why we tell you
to put a backflow preventer on there.
When we've looked at backflow
preventer a while back there,
it's a little brass fitting
that screws on to the faucet,
one end, the other end
the hose screws in to,
it's got a one way valve.
So once the material goes out,
it cannot come back in.
It'll shut off and prevent anything
from coming back in,
so make sure that you get that.
All right.
So that's pretty much the deal.
I want to show you a brief video
on how you mix,
disregard the product that you see,
it's not Termidor,
it's something from way back
in the day, all right?
But the process is the same,
so let's take a look at this video
and then I'll ask you a few questions.
Some termite treating units
will have a tank on the truck.
The termiticide concentrate
will be diluted with water in the tank.
The label will prescribe
the proper amount of concentrate
for your size tank.
Fill the tank about
a quarter full with water
before adding the termiticide.
Then, after the concentrate is added,
turn on the pump
to circulate the mixture.
While the unit is circulating,
the tank is filled
the rest of the way with water.
Although we mix the termiticide
at the job site,
we always use our hose.
The hose must be attached
to the faucet with a backflow preventer.
Things really changed in how we do that,
you know, you have mixing instructions
that you can follow.
It's pretty basic, fill up a third
or a quarter to a third of the tank,
start the pump on to start the agitation
and circulation of it,
then put your
Termidor SC packets in there.
Then make sure that you add
the remaining amount of water.
Now a lot of these tank trucks have,
like baffles, air gaps in them,
so don't stick the hose
in there please.
You know you don't want to do that,
you always are gonna be concerned
about water contamination, all right?
And so we're gonna make sure
that we don't do things like that.
You know, don't be smoking a cigarette,
and you know, mixing this up,
and then you reach in there
'cause your lighter fell in the tank
and then you kinda shake it off
and put it back in your pocket.
Take precautions with this,
you're exposed to it every day,
termite specialists.
So don't start thinking that
you don't need
to worry anything about it
'cause, you know,
that's not entirely true, all right?
So again, they showed you a picture
of a backflow preventer, here it is.
Little brass fitting,
you should all have one of those,
in fact, I'm just kind of curious,
termite specialists,
you're the only ones
that need to answer this.
Can you hear this,
inspectors you don't answer,
don't answer, don't answer.
Termite specialists,
how many of you have
a backflow preventer on your truck?
"Yes, I do. No, I don't."
'Cause if you don't,
you need to see your service manager
and get one.
Right, so we got six that do,
two that don't.
So the two that don't,
like we had that conversation now,
my guess is that the two that
don't perhaps
is 'cause you're using an injector
'cause they have a built in one,
but the rule of thumb
with the company
is always put the backflow preventer
on even though the injector
has one of those built in, okay?
So always do that
and make sure that you get that right.
It's very costly to do otherwise,
all right?
So now let me ask you this question.
So, you know, "I started treating,
the next thing I look back,
ah, gee, the hose is leaking,
what should I do?
What should I do?"
"The hose is leaking,
ah, it's got a crack in it, gee.
I just checked this last week,
it's got a crack in it.
What am I gonna do?"
Just continue
on with the treatment or what,
what am I gonna do?
Okay, shut off the source, all right?
Yup, let's go shut the,
let's go stop the process, everybody.
Okay, what else?
Turn off the water,
okay, shut off the pumps.
Okay, clean the spill up, all right.
Remember, even though
this is a caution level material,
it's still not,
it's got a warning label on it.
"So you got to stop the spill,
I can't have this stuff running down
the driveway, okay?
So, you gotta shut it off right away."
Now I figure out the problem
is the hose is cracked,
so now what?
"So I shut it off, should I just put
some duct tape on that hose or what?
What would be the solution?
What do I need to do,
so I can continue the treatment?
Maybe I can borrow the customer's hose,
what do you think about that idea?"
In fact, let me ask that question.
How many of you think
I could just borrow the customer's hose
and do it that way?
"Yeah, you can do that Tim, yes."
"No, you can't do that."
What's it gonna be?
Oh!
Only one person says
I can borrow the customer's hose.
Why is that?
In 17, all three of you say I can,
now, okay, it's getting better.
But the majority say no,
I can't do that, why's that?
What's the deal on that?
So how come I can't just use their hose,
just using it one time,
what's the big deal?
Pull out your spare hose, okay,
you guys have spares on your trucks?
Okay, they're in the chemical, yeah.
You never ever, ever, ever, ever
under any circumstance
ever use the customer's hose.
Never, there's no exceptions
to this rule.
Do not use the customer's hose,
even if they'd offer it to you,
you don't use it.
Okay, you can either
go back to the branch,
get a new one, you know,
call up your service manager
or your branch manager,
they may tell you
to go out to Ace Hardware
and get another one, you know,
whatever the protocol is in your branch,
that's what you follow.
But you never use the customer's hose.
Okay, so hopefully,
everybody's got that.
And repairing it is not wrapping
duct tape around it, all right?
It's still going to leak
'cause it's under pressure,
so you got to be aware
of that thing, too.
So make sure you got to use
the backflow preventer,
never use the customer's hose.
And remember on those tank trucks,
there's an air gap in there
so don't stick the hose
down in the material either, all right?
Now I'm just kind of curious,
quick poll question.
If you have the majority of your trucks
are tank trucks at your branch, hit yes.
If you have injectors predominantly,
hit no.
So tank trucks, yes,
or if the majority of your trucks are
basically have injectors on them,
hit no.
Let's see what kind of mix we have here.
Okay, looks like it's,
well, actually it's,
more of you have injectors,
that's not usually the norm but, okay.
All right, so,
that's the other alternative.
Now the injector's
a whole lot easier okay,
cause basically
and this injector's laying on its side,
but the way this thing works is,
it automatically mixes it
based on the calibration
setting that you make, all right?
So if you look on the right there,
you see that little white strip
on the handle.
That's where your calibration
setting is,
so for example, if there's a decal
that comes with this,
it'll show you for Termidor SC, 0.6,
I'm gonna set it at like 0.63
on the dial.
If it's a phantom,
it's gonna be like 0.125 or 1.25,
somewhere around there.
So what happens is,
there's some, you know,
you hook the bottle of Termidor up,
you hook the hose up,
and it automatically mixes it
based upon the setting
you have on that handle.
So it makes it nice
'cause you don't have to,
you know,
dump the water in the tank truck,
wait for that to fill up to a third,
then put the packet in,
then fill up the rest of the tank,
then agitate it for a while.
This just automatically gives you
the right mix every time.
As long as you've set the setting right
on that injector,
it's gonna work for you.
So you might want to check
with your branch manager
on whether you're getting some of these
or how this thing works.
You can't really tell here
but if you're looking
about the middle there,
above that label,
that's where the filter is,
these things you have to clean
the filter out fairly regularly.
You might get into the habit
of cleaning out at least once a week.
You got to take it out
and do some maintenance,
the O-ring wear out on 'em.
So there is an element of maintenance
that gets involved with these injectors,
so make sure that you get that.
All right?
Okay, anybody want to add
anything else about the injector,
based on your experience?
Okay, looks like not.
All right, let me ask you
this poll question,
how many of you are tired?
It's impacting your response.
Interesting.
Okay, there's more of you
that are not tired than are,
okay, all though I would've
thought there'd be a bigger margin.
I should be tired, okay, but I'm not.
All right, just doing
a quick check there,
just wanted to get
kind of a feel for the group.
Let's move on to our next thing here.
Now I'm going to give you
a question to answer,
and we'll see how you do on this one.
Okay, according to an article
in pest management magazine,
okay, pest management
professional magazine.
What percent
of recurring termite infestations
are associated with interior walls
or pipes or cracks
and expansion joints are located?
So not exterior walls,
interior walls,
you know, where you might
have an expansion joint,
where you might have
a plumbing penetration,
where you have
a known crack in the floor,
so what percentage do you think that is?
Let's check out the answer on this one,
I know what the results will be
'cause they're pretty much
the same every time.
Yeah, we got a little bit of everything,
some of you did get it correct.
Like seven, let's take a look here.
Okay, it's 40% of the time.
Now I didn't really expect you
to get that right,
although I am kind of curious
we had seven people get it right.
Were you just lucky
or did you actually read the article?
If you've read the article, hit yes,
if you did not read the article, hit no.
Okay, it looks like
only one person read the article so,
yeah, so, yeah, I'm not surprised that,
actually I'm surprised
we got this many rights, all right?
You know,
the bottom line is 40% is a high number.
'Cause what's that gonna acquaint to,
so if we go treat somebody's property,
that 40% of the time there's gonna be
a re-infestation in areas
where there's expansion joints,
you know,
settlement cracks
or some kind of plumbing penetration.
So what does that translate to?
What does that translate to?
There's something called a retreat.
Yeah, then if they're
under a retreat guarantee,
that's all fine and well,
but if you were the customer,
what would you be thinking?
Let's get a chat on that,
what would you be thinking
if you were the customer,
and I had to come back
and retreat your house?
'Cause you had a flare up of termites,
in an interior wall,
you know,
through a plumbing penetration,
you know, that type of thing.
What would you be thinking?
Okay, Gregory says call backs, okay,
what would you be thinking
say a little more than that?
Okay, maybe unprofessional,
gee, maybe I didn't really treat
your house right to begin with, okay?
'Cause who're they gonna be looking at?
They're gonna be looking at you,
the termite specialists.
So if I did the initial treatment,
now I've got to go back
and do a retreatment
or am I really correcting my work
'cause I didn't get the result
I was supposed to get
and, inspectors,
didn't you tell the folks that,
"Hey, you go with us,
we'll take care of your property,
and there's no problem"?
Okay, Gregory says, "Maybe
they feel like they wasted money."
Maybe you didn't do the job right,"
says Louise.
Yeah, they might think, you know what,
maybe this person didn't really do
the job right the first time,
maybe they took some shortcuts.
So we gotta make sure
that doesn't happen.
You see the reason that 40% happens
is because we can't get the material
where it needs to go, okay?
Did you ever think about that?
You know, I said the other day
we treat more by faith than sight.
I don't know where it's going
when I'm putting it in the ground.
I'm assuming I'm getting it
where it needs to go
but I may not be
and that may be part of the problem.
So one of the ways
that we've looked at
to reduce that number of retreats
is to use foam technology, okay?
Foam technology, now you know,
I'm just kind of curious on that.
How many of you have had any exposure
to foam technology at your branch?
How many of you know
what I'm talking about?
Foam technology.
Okay,
more don't know about it than do.
So it sounds like
that might be a good thing, too,
that I'd talking about this module.
I got 5 yeses, 13 noes,
14 noes, all right?
So let's take a look at this.
See, foam is an addition to the liquid
or combined with, okay?
And we'll take a look at
some of the principles of foam
in just a minute.
You know, foam is going to work,
you might want to write
this down on page
eight in your workbook,
soon as I locate my mails,
okay, here we go.
Foam is likely to be effective
if you know when it's required
or when it might be
the best treatment option
based on the circumstance.
Okay, foam will be effective
if you know how to correctly determine
the most effective foam expansion rate.
There's different foam expansion rates
'cause there's a couple
of different types of foam.
Foam is effective if you know
how to adjust the consistency.
So, you know, often times,
what's gonna happen is
you're not gonna get the foam
just right, okay?
You're gonna have to always adjust it.
Now if some of those injectors
have foaming machines,
then again, you calibrate it
and it pretty much puts the foam
where you need it to be,
but you're always gonna
have to be playing with this.
There's no, 'cause, you know,
the water pressure's different
in every place you go,
so if you're trying to base everything
on the same conditions,
it doesn't work, all right?
So, you know, we try to,
we create the foam
to use to get
to those tough-to-reach spots
'cause foam creeps, it expands,
it goes places liquid
can't go basically, all right?
You know,
the natural behavior of liquid is
it's always gonna run
to the lowest level.
It's always gonna,
and what I mean by that is,
if you got a slope in the ground
or a void, it's gonna run to that,
so that it may actually be running away
from where you want it to go.
And it may pool,
you may get this concentration of it
in one section,
but it hasn't really hit the area
that it's supposed to hit.
So that's a problem,
that's a problem
with a liquid treatment, okay?
It's always gonna take
the path of least resistance.
It's gonna pool, it's not gonna get
to where it needs to go, all right?
So that's one of the problems with it.
Foam expands, foam creeps out.
I start putting foam in and, inspectors,
if you've looked at
any of those foam videos
that you have on your iPad,
you can see how foam expands, okay?
Now case and point,
if I take a look here,
okay, here's a dirt-filled porch.
Look how the dirt has settled in there,
maybe all they do is dump it in,
there's not like there's somebody there,
you know,
punching out on a electric tamper,
you know, that,
you know, get this thing figured out,
all right?
So, you know, we can't,
we don't know where the liquid's going.
You can see,
if you look to the left there,
there's a low spot,
that's where your
liquid treatment's gonna go,
even though
I'm applying it on the right side
along that foundation wall.
So that can be an issue, okay?
So we're gonna make sure
that we know what we're doing
and foam is the alternative
'cause what the foam does...
Let me just say this too.
Let me ask this poll question.
How many of you watch HGTV?
You know that building thing,
the Fixer Upper,
the Property Brothers, Flip this house.
Okay, quite a few of you.
One of the things
that people think of is
a lot of your customers
are gonna watch that too, right?
They think
that when we talk about foam,
it's that spray foam
that they use as insulation.
It's not.
Inspectors, you got to make sure
the folks understand that.
When we inject foam into a wall
or we inject foam into a void
or underneath a slab,
the foam doesn't stay there forever.
As soon as the air evaporates
out of the foam, it's gone.
The foam carries the material
where we need it to go.
So let's take some dry foaming,
you know,
drill a little quarter inch hole
in the bottom of the dry wall
right above the baseboard,
and start putting foam in there,
well, it works
its way around the insulation,
it works its way
into every crack and crevice.
It carries the material.
If those people
open that wall up tomorrow,
there's not gonna be any foam in there.
So you have to make sure
they understand that
'cause otherwise,
this is what may happen to you,
inspectors.
I decide six months from now
I'm gonna put a pair of French doors
in my wall,
so we start ripping
the sheet rock off to,
you know, get ready and guess what,
"Hey where's that foam
that guy told us about,
there's no foam in here."
So what are they thinking now?
Somebody chat that answer in.
What are they thinking now?
"Hey, that guy told me
they're putting foam in the wall,
there's no foam in there."
Yeah, we didn't do the job right,
we're ripped off,
he lied to us, okay?
That's a little strong, but okay.
He cheated us,
they're not gonna be
thinking good things,
that's the whole point.
So make sure you let people know,
this is not like the spray foam
when, it's not gonna dry hard,
it's a carrier of the material
that's gonna dissipate,
and it will not be there
but the material
it carried will be there.
If there's any termites in the wall,
guess what,
they're gonna be taken care of,
not to worry, okay?
Now as we said a little bit earlier,
liquid may not always be
the best solution
because we know certain behaviors
about liquid, so what are they?
You use your tablets
to answer this question.
Everybody votes.
Okay, Naples, you need to vote.
Let's check this one out,
see what you came up with.
Excellent, everybody got it right.
Yeah, it's all of these, all right?
It's all of these.
You know, the foam does all the things
that is up there.
You know, we don't,
we treat by faith, not by sight.
We know liquid always goes,
gravity is gonna pull it
to the lowest point,
and it may actually pull it away
from the areas we want it to go to
and it can pool.
So knowing that going in
we got to make sure
that we do this right, all right?
Now...
What type of foam is available to us?
So is there 2 types, 10 types, 15 types,
how many types of foam are there?
Anybody know
the answer to that question?
If so, chat it in.
How many types of foam?
Okay, I'm getting two.
Okay, what are they?
All right, never mind,
Louise has it, dry and wet foam.
Now that's clever, right?
So they're pretty easy to remember,
aren't they?
So let's take a look at foam.
Okay, obviously dry foam is exactly
what it says it is.
We use dry foam.
So if I had a termite tube
that got up into a box sill area
of a crawl space,
I have to foam
the walls above automatically.
Even if I don't know,
even if I don't think termites
got into that wall,
we're still foaming it, all right?
So it's got to be dry foam,
I can't put any kind of wet foam
in a dry walled wall
'cause there's insulation in there.
And once insulation gets wet,
it's useless,
okay, I don't want it
shorting out the electric outlets
and causing a problem, all right,
so we use dry foam.
Wet foam we use under slabs,
we can use those in foundation walls,
okay, for brick veneer
if we want to make sure
that we get the material
where it needs to go.
You know, that's the bottom line,
so we've got two types of foam
that we can use
depending what the deal with, all right?
Now again, I wanna show you
a little video clip here.
It has no sound to it,
so we'll just go with this
but you know foam is less dense
than liquid,
therefore it kind of creeps along
as you can see here.
And it goes into those untreated gaps,
it goes to those spots away
from the low spots,
in those hard to reach areas,
and it can take the material further
than what liquid can, all right?
So what happens is foam generally,
the bubbles,
the material gets trapped
in between the bubbles.
And as the bubbles travel,
they disperse that material.
And you can see
how the bubbles are stacked up
one on top of each other,
so it creates
what we call a stacking effect.
And what that means basically is that,
you know,
it's gonna creep around
all the obstacles, rocks, you know,
pieces of wood buried in the ground,
all that kind of stuff is gonna happen.
So it's a carrier of the material,
all right?
So it's gonna carry it
and as the bubbles,
the foam, the material's,
the Termidor is not carried inside
of the bubbles,
it's trapped between the bubbles,
it gets on the skin of the bubbles.
So as it creeps along, it's dispensing,
dispersing the material,
and then the bubbles
will eventually burst.
And when they do,
they're dropping more Termidor, okay?
The Termidor that was on the skins
of the bubbles are now,
that's being distributed as well.
So it helps you get
that even distribution.
Inspectors, remember,
you have that video on your iPad.
So when you're talking to the folks
about foam technology,
make sure that you show them the video
that they can see it for themselves.
There's also a foam video
for brick veneer,
there's also the dry foam video
for spec number 40
that you can click on,
it'll actually play the video of it.
So it's one of those things
that is very, very effective
in getting material
in those hard to reach places.
So if I have a real tight corner like
this I can't get liquid into,
maybe it's running uphill,
that foam will expand,
spread and fill up
that whole gap so to speak,
and do it that way.
All right, so that's pretty much
the technical side of how it works,
you know, gravity is gonna,
you know, help move it along,
it's gonna spread
further than liquid does.
As the bubbles travel
they're dispensing the termiticide.
Then as the bubbles break,
the additional that's trapped between
the bubbles and the skins,
that's on the skins,
that will be distributed as well
to get a nice even presentation on it.
All right, now based upon
what I just told you,
let's go ahead and answer this question.
Foam eventually evenly disperses
liquid termiticide because?
Because?
Page 13 of your workbook.
Everybody votes.
Let's check it out and see how you did.
All right,
that's the kind of response I like man,
everybody gets it right.
That is just perfectomundo, okay?
That's great, I like it.
Yeah, for all these reasons,
okay, there's no magic to this.
But you have to know how it works, okay?
Inspectors, remember you may have
some of your customers may ask you
how this stuff works.
So if you give them a nice explanation,
what does that make you look like?
"You know, how's this foam stuff work?"
"Gee, beats me, I don't know,
have to ask your technician
when they come out."
Okay, that would make you
look like a fool, all right?
You don't even know
how the stuff works?
But go, yeah, let me just tell you
how it works, you know,
as it creeps along,
it's dispensing the material
that we're using to treat the soil there
or to treat the void.
You know, as it creeps along
some of those bubbles start breaking,
there's additional material
that's deposited in a nice even manner.
And that's why, you know,
once all those bubbles break,
you won't see the foam anymore
but it will take in that material
where it needs to go.
All right, so that's how that plays.
All right.
Let's see if this is different one.
Let me try this and see
if this maybe the one we just saw.
I've forgotten my talking where I am.
Okay, this is an actual gallery,
here it comes.
Oh, my god, Fred,
here comes the Tsunami, man.
Now obviously the termites
are gonna drown in this stuff,
but they are gonna get it
all over their bodies,
and we know
the biology of the termites is
once they get that all over them,
it's gonna be lights out for the boys
'cause it can't go take the shower
and wash it off.
They absorb it
into their systems normally,
they're gonna share it with food,
by grooming each other.
"Hey, Harry, lick off my arm, will ya?"
and he's licking off Termidor.
Oh, this is good, this is good, okay,
so that's important
that we get that right, all right,
that you're now understanding
so there you actually saw...
And you saw how it creeps along
all the galleries,
it gets into all the little gaps
and that's what wanted to do.
Okay, we wanted to get
into all those little gaps.
All right.
All right, how many people think
they're getting it?
"Yes, I am." "No, I'm not."
I don't know what you're talking about.
Okay.
Stormy, are you hitting that no button,
I got one no again.
All right, now this next diagram
should look pretty familiar
to you by now
'cause you probably seen it
three or four times.
Again, you know,
we got to make sure
we get the right application rate,
so again, you can see on the left side,
there if I'm doing vertical treatment,
if I'm doing vertical treatment,
okay, then I'm going to need
4 gallons per 10 linear feet
per foot of depth.
If I'm doing plumbing penetrations,
I need 1 gallon per 10 square feet,
I don't need that much.
Okay.
And if I'm treating voids,
it's gonna be 2 gallons
per 10 linear feet for voids
or for brick
or stone veneer.
So, you know, again get this right,
you got to make sure you know
all the application rates
for the material.
Now one thing that you need to make sure
you understand is the following.
You're gonna hear people talk about,
"Well, you know, what I'm gonna do is
I'm gonna put
three gallons of liquid down,
then I'm gonna put a gallon of foam."
That gallon of foam
does not equal gallon of liquid.
Okay.
There is a foam expansion rate,
so what I'm really saying here
is don't think that one gallon of liquid
equals one gallon of foam,
they're two totally different things.
So if I put 3 gallons of liquid
and 1 gallon of foam every 10 feet,
I'm sure changing the treatment.
'Cause you see
that one gallon of foam...
Needs to be more than that, okay?
For example, our ratio for wet foam
is about eight gallons of foam
for every one gallon termiticide.
So you need one gallon of Termidor
to make eight gallons of foam
when you set your calibration for that.
Dry foam's a different story.
You know that ratio, it's 25 to 1,
this has a lot of air in it.
So that means
for every gallon of Termidor,
it makes 25 gallons of foam.
So for every 10 feet I treat,
if I'm putting 3 gallons of liquid in,
and I'm putting a gallon of dry foam in,
I'm gonna need 25 gallons,
like filling up
5 gallon dry wall buckets with foam.
That's how much has to go into equal
4 gallons per 10 linear feet.
And we'll take a look
at that a little bit...
Later as we go here...
'Cause the bottom-line is if I don't get
enough of the material there,
what's ultimately gonna be the outcome?
If I don't get the material
where it needs to go,
what's ultimately gonna be the outcome?
Not a trick question.
Okay, it's gonna be ineffective,
it's gonna be a failure.
Yeah, the bottom-line
is it's not gonna be treated,
and untreated means it's unprotected.
You now work
at the mercy of the termites,
if they find that gap in the treatment,
they're gonna find their way in.
So again don't assume
that if I put
three gallons of liquid down,
and I say
I need another gallon of treatment,
then I could just put
a gallon of foam in there,
that's not enough,
I have to put much more than that in.
Then we'll take a look at that,
when we start taking a look
at how we actually make this foam.
Okay.
All right, any questions to this point?
All right.
Now let's take a look at another video,
this is the one...
Inspectors, you have this on your iPad.
This is foaming brick veneer.
This is what's going on behind
where you can't see, oops.
That's not the one I want,
let's go to the next one.
Okay, hold the fort here...
Hold the fort.
All right, then you've got a worksheet
in your workbook
that's on page 26, I believe.
Let's do this first, it looks like this,
we could bring up the document camera.
It says Expansion Rate
Calculation Exercise.
I want everybody to get that out
'cause I'm gonna show you
how we make this foam.
How do we make this foam?
Now you can see here the very first step
it talks about ProFoam, all right?
And basically
what we're talking about here,
I'll make this a little bit
bigger for you.
It says ProFoam states
that you need to put anywhere
from 0.5 to 1.5 ounces,
we tend to go in the lower end of it.
So you know, if you put 0.5 ounces in,
if that's not enough,
you can always add 2,
if you got too much, then you can't.
So you basically mix up your foam
based on the way that you think,
the consistency you think it should be.
Okay?
Now once you do that...
Then we've got to figure out
what the foam ratio is.
And the way we do that
is we go to the second step.
So I'm gonna show a video clip
and there's a small scale here.
If you remember in some of the videos
that you've seen,
the one guy had like
a 5 gallon container
who is pumping foam into that,
that's really how you're gonna do it out
on the job.
See your service manager to give you
some time to practice with that.
But this example
here's a much smaller example,
I'm gonna show you a little video clip,
a solid movie,
and I'll talk during it that
we're gonna take a measuring cup,
and it's gonna have
32 ounces of foam in it,
when you see it.
Okay?
And you can see this right here,
it's got one quarter
which is 32 ounces here.
Well, you're gonna see an actual video
that has 32 ounces in it.
Now it says you have to fill
to the top mark of the measuring cup,
where the top part of the container
you're using.
And then it says
you may help to foam dissipate faster
by lightly spraying the top of the foam
with the isopropyl alcohol, all right?
Now they do a little bit of overkill
on that in the video,
but the whole idea
is you're waiting
for the foam to dissipate,
so you can see
how much liquid is actually left.
So for example,
when we originally made that,
we originally made the foam,
we put a certain amount
of Termidor in there
with certain amount of air
or certain amount of water
that mix with it, the pressure,
and we got this 32 ounces of foam.
So let's take a look at the video
and you can see how this works.
So here we've got the,
we've got the cup of foam.
He's hitting it with this isopropyl,
going a little crazy with it,
quite frankly.
But there's your 32 ounces of foam,
here it comes,
we're trying to well,
waiting for the foam to dissipate,
so we can see how much liquid
is left in the cup.
'Cause that's gonna help tell us
whether or not
we got the right ratio rate at all.
Okay, so that's what's left
after the foam has dissipated.
So remember that whole thing
was full of foam,
now I've got this liquid in the bottom
and got quite a bit
of isopropyl alcohol, too.
That's why I say don't go nuts
on that stuff.
Now let's go back here
to the document camera and take a look.
So please look at step three,
it says basically,
okay, let the foam dissipate,
how much liquid remains.
Well, let's just say
that there's four ounces left,
okay, there's four ounces
left in the cup.
So I write the four ounces down,
then I go to the fourth step and says,
ounces in the measuring cup.
Well, we started out with 32 all right,
'cause it was filled to the top.
Ounces remaining
in the measuring cup, we had 4,
so what that ends up being
as your expansion ratio
is 8 to 1...
Which is the application rate
for wet foam.
So if I was gonna foam under a slab
or under a dirt filled porch,
this would be the ratio I wanted,
and what this would tell you is,
"Ah, okay, you had it about right."
Okay, you had it about right.
And we'll take a look at it
in a couple minutes what you do,
if you don't have it right.
Now that's a wet foam ratio, okay?
If I had, let's say
I had 1.5 ounces left...
So I have 32 ounces in the cup,
I have 1.5 ounces left.
Okay.
Somebody do the math and tell me
what that comes out to.
So take 32 and divide it by 1.5
and chat the answer in.
Okay, 21.3333, it's infinity, all right?
So we just say 21.3.
Okay, that tells me, "Okay,
if I'm looking to do dry foam,
then I don't quite have this
where it needs to be yet.
Okay.
'Cause I need to get dry foam
of the 25 to 1."
And we'll take a look in just a minute
how you do that, all right?
But this gives you an idea
based on how much is left in there,
this is how you would do it.
So if you fill up
a five gallon container,
okay, this got,
you know, five gallons in it,
then you got divide out
by a how much liquid's actually left.
That'll give you your foam ratio.
Now again, as I said before,
I write it on the side here...
Okay, wet foam is 8 to 1...
Okay, dry foam is 25 to 1.
So you can see, it's like,
it's got three times the air in it
than what the wet foam has.
Three times the air.
So it's kind of poofy...
If poofy a word,
and I think it is a word.
Okay.
Now inspectors
one of the things you can do
is to do demos for your customers,
give them an idea how this works.
If you take
a brand-new candy shaving cream,
you know how it comes out,
it kind of goes,
you know,
comes out and kind of swells up.
And it's taken your hand,
it's dry, right,
it's not running out of your hand,
it's just there,
you can probably even do this.
And we can't do this and then
hold it for like 20 seconds
or it's gonna fall out.
But if you do this,
it's not gonna fall out, right?
The end of a canned shaving cream
is more like wet foam.
You know, you hit the nozzle
and it kind of you know,
it's gurgling, it's...
'Cause in your hand
starts kind of running out,
that's really what wet foam is like,
okay?
That's really what wet foam is like.
Okay.
All right, how many of you
does this make sense to?
Let's just go
to a quick poll question here.
You think you're getting
the concept here,
dry foam versus wet foam,
you know the whole idea
that foam will carry that material
as you saw in the video,
they're going in all the galleries,
covering up the termites with it,
they're not gonna drown in it,
but again, they're going to get it
all over their bodies.
All right, very good.
Okay.
Let me... I want to advance on here.
Now let me show you this video.
And, inspectors,
you have this on your iPad,
so again if you have to treat
somebody's brick veneer,
show them what's going
on behind the brick.
So this is a back side,
look out that foam is spreading,
look out it's spreading up,
it's spreading out,
it's going much further than liquid.
He is injecting this in the one hole
and look how far that foam is going.
Now obviously, in stud cavity,
it's gonna only go
as far as the 2x4s on each side.
But this is the whole concept of foam,
it's gonna fill up that entire cavity...
You know, as much as pumped in.
Now, termite specialists...
Oh, it was on my screen...
So it was on the screen out here.
All right, let see if we can
back this up and get it to play.
All right, let me try it again.
It might be
because I didn't play the video before.
Now let's see if it comes up this time.
Okay, you see how the foam is spreading?
That's what it does, it's spreading up,
it's spreading out,
and liquid will never do that, okay?
It'll never do that.
And that's the whole concept of foam,
so you show your customers
what this really is
and just let them know, "Hey, look,
the foam's not gonna stay there
but it's a carrier,
the material it's gonna get it to places
it wouldn't normally go."
And that way
there's termites in that wall,
it's going to take them out, too,
'cause they're gonna be
part of the big tsunami with that.
Okay, how many of you saw
that video that time?
Let's just get a yes or no on that.
Make sure everybody got the opportunity.
Well, we still have a number of people
that didn't see it...
13 yeses, 6 noes.
I'm not sure why that happened, okay.
Okay,
nothing after you fixed it, all right.
Okay, go to your iPad then, inspectors,
and you can look it up
specification number 40,
it'll play the very video I just played.
And, termite specialists, my apology
I'm not sure why some of you
would have got this and not others.
Two out of every three got it.
So figurative technology, right?
Okay...
Now with that being said,
let's take a look at
how you adjust this foam.
Remember, we said that if your ratio
isn't quite there, again,
you know, that 21.3 was not quite there.
So really the foam
is still too wet at 21.3.
So how do we fix that?
Well, one of the ways we fix
is we decrease the pump pressure.
So we decrease it, okay?
If we decrease the pump pressure,
we're also decreasing the flow rate.
If I add a little bit
more foaming agent in,
that's gonna make a little bit
more foam, all right?
And get more of the consistency
I need it, so if I add more air,
that's gonna poof it up
so I can take that wet foam
and I can make it a drier foam.
So reduce the pressure
of which it's coming out, the flow rate,
so it means
they'll come out of the nozzle slower,
put more foaming agent in there
and then add more air,
get a little bit
better air mixture going on,
and then get that
where it needs to be, all right?
Now if the foam is too dry,
I've got to do the opposite.
Now I'm going to increase
the pump pressure
so it comes out faster,
therefore, the flow rate is faster.
Okay I don't want to put
any more foaming agent in...
And I may have to add
some more water to thin it out,
okay, to get, make it more liquidity.
So this is something
you're going to have to do and practice,
you know, back at the branch.
It's not something
that we can fully get you to do here.
So I want you to keep that in mind.
All right, so that's pretty
much the basics of foam.
Now in your workbook,
you've got a couple of pages
starting on pages 22
of some treatments specs.
Go to page 22 and get those out a while.
So we're gonna give you
a couple questions answer,
you're going to use those pages
22, 23, 24, 25
to answer the questions, all right?
So you can use the sheets, that's okay,
it's not a big deal,
you can do that, all right?
So let me show you
what your first question is going to be.
And this is the sheet
that I'm telling you
to go to on page 22, it's the first one.
Let me just put this up here
for you to see.
So pages 22 to 25,
each page has got
a couple of treatment specs on it.
I'm gonna put a slide up on the screen,
and you're going to go
to these pages 22 to 25,
and you're gonna figure out, okay,
what I'm asking you for
and make the proper choice.
So that's how that goes.
So if you just follow the sheets,
you're good to go.
So let's do the first one here
and see what happens.
Okay, which spec requires foam only?
Foam only.
Foam only.
Let's take a look at this one.
Okay, it looks like
most of you picked A.
And probably another reason
you got this wrong
is you don't have the sheets,
maybe you don't have
your workbook with you, all right?
'Cause if you look at this, it's A,
let's go the document camera once
and let me show you here.
Okay, here's the same sheet you have
and spec number 40 is foam only.
So when you're putting that,
doing that wall foaming,
all you are putting in there is foam,
you're not putting
a liquid termiticide by itself.
You're just doing a version of it
with foam.
Now let's try another one here,
let's see if we get this,
everybody get on board
with this one, all right?
So this one says,
Spec 10 requires
which of the four?
Everybody votes.
Let's check this one out.
Okay, almost, almost, almost.
Got a couple here that...
Okay, so you can see here
that the answer is liquid and or foam.
So let's go
to the document camera again...
And take a look.
So here it is on page 22,
Spec number 10,
liquid and/or foam.
So just as it said,
that's what you're doing here, okay?
So liquid and/or foam.
Okay...
All right, you get the idea here...
'Cause I think
that's the last one, yeah.
Okay...
How many of you think
you've got this concept here?
Okay,
page 2 only shows 2 images,
Spec 6 and Spec 10,
yeah, right, that's what it does.
But actually, it's page 22,
it's not page 2.
And yeah, you're right,
it's only 6 and 10,
you have to go
to different pages of find it.
So I hope I'd answered your question.
Okay, so that's how we do foam,
go back to your branch,
practice it, make sure
that you understand how it works,
and play around with it,
especially the termite specialists,
inspectors,
you don't need it know how to make it,
you just need to know how it works
and make sure you explain
it to the folks when they ask you.
'Cause remember,
you're selling the positives of it.
We are one of the few companies
that uses foam,
we were the founders of foam.
Okay, we were the ones
that first used it.
So let's use that to our advantage,
this is something
a lot of other companies don't use.
Okay, the last thing I want to talk
to you about is Termidor dry.
Now quick poll question,
how many of you know
what Termidor dry is?
And maybe you know what Termidor dry is?
Usually I don't get too many to do.
But all these expose you to it,
yeah, 3 people, 17 don't.
Okay, two people.
Let's take a look at,
the first thing is Termidor dry,
okay, is not a dust,
it's a micro crystalline product
that's got cellulose in it.
So, of course,
if it's got cellulose, termites love it.
You know, they're just like
grooving on that stuff.
All right, it's some good stuff,
they like it.
And...
Basically, you can use it
for all types of termites,
dry wood, subterranean, period.
And you can almost use it anywhere.
So if we move on here to the next slide,
you'll see that...
You know, if it targets galleries,
what happens is when you put
this Termidor dry in,
it attaches itself to the cellulose.
And when it attaches itself
to the cellulose,
okay, then we're good.
All right, then they what do
they do with the cellulose,
well, they eat it.
And if they eat the cellulose,
then they ingest the material.
So that works for us,
that's good for us, okay.
So that's and then it
uses the same transfer effect
as does the liquid termidor,
it's got the same active ingredient,
it's got Fipronil.
And so it's pretty much the same deal.
So don't mistake yourself
just think that it's a dust,
it's not a dust,
that's one of the things
I want to make sure
that you understand.
The second thing
is this is not and,
termite specialists,
make sure you hear me on this one,
this is not a standalone product.
You don't just use Termidor dry
to get rid of a termite problem,
all right?
This is really used
with your treatment Spec 37
which is wood injection.
So if I go out and I do an inspection,
I stick my screwdriver in
let's say sill plate man,
there's just like termites everywhere.
Then we're gonna drill some
little 3/16th inch holes
right into the wood
and put this Termidor dry in there
to get it into the galleries
to speed up the kill process
'cause then that gets woven in
with the cellulose fibers,
they eat the stuff, they get it on them.
You know,
because of their social nature,
they're grooming that type of thing,
they're gonna end up,
you know, consuming it
and that's what we want.
So that's pretty much how it works,
so make sure you get that right.
And one of the things
about Termidor dry,
it's a label for practically anything.
And you can see here,
you can do it or you can do a fence,
so if you had a customer
and he said, "Hey, look,
termites are chewing up
the bottom of my fence."
Okay, if they want to pay the price,
we can probably
take care of that, all right?
But Termidor dry
is not inexpensive either.
If they have a problem with their deck,
we don't treat decks typically
but let's say they had a deck
post hold up the deck
that had some termites in it, okay,
we could inject Termidor dry in there.
They even tell you can inject it
into live trees,
I wouldn't recommend that
because obviously if you kill the tree,
there's only one thing
that's going to make me happy.
And what's that one thing
that's going to make me feel better
if you kill my tree?
So chat me the answer in on that.
So that's the only thing
what's gonna make me feel better
if you kill my tree?
Yeah, big check from Orkin, you got it.
Big check from Orkin.
All right, so that's how that works,
now just to show you
Termidor dry
comes in little five gram vials.
Okay, see the cartridge there,
there's only five grams and that.
This is not a massive amount,
it's a very, very small amount, okay?
You see it's got
a little bulb dispenser,
it's got a little plastic
applicator there,
you get it there,
and it's hard to reach places
with that extension tip.
And that's how a lot of times
it's put down.
So you know, this stuff
does not go very far, all right?
It doesn't go very far at all,
therefore,
you have to use it judiciously
and make sure that, you know,
you don't overuse it
because the last time I looked
which is probably three years ago,
okay, this stuff was gone
for about $80 a vial.
So 5 grams is about 80 bucks.
I'm sure it's probably higher
than that now.
So this is not something
that you just kind of broadcast,
this is something you use for this very,
very special situations.
Now let me just show you how it works,
I got a little video here,
and I'll narrate it for you
as you watch it.
Okay, this is a little experiment.
You see there's some galleries
carved in that wooden,
it simulate termite galleries,
and there's a piece of Plexiglas
that's got six holes in it, all right?
Six or seven holes in it,
and he's going to flip this over
and put it on top of the wood,
so it's like that's underground.
Then he's going to take
is a little extension tube there
and he's going to hit 1 compression
which is 300ths of gram
in each of those holes.
So you can see, he's just hitting
one compression, that's it.
One compression.
So 300ths of gram in each compression.
Now he's going to take that off
and you're going to get a surprise,
you look how far the stuff has gone.
And look at that,
it's almost gotten into
every one of those galleries
just by doing that.
Now again, remember it's not a dust.
Okay, it's not a dust.
Okay, it is micro-crystalline
type of material.
But you can see how far it
travels in those galleries,
and then the termites
are going to ingest it
and that's how the whole thing works,
all right?
Now to give you some idea
of what it takes to kill termites,
here's a chart I think this chart's
in your book or may not be.
For dry wood termites,
now this is per injection point.
So we just came off a one
that has six injection points, okay?
So you can see
on this six injection points,
okay, I need anywhere
from 1/10th of a gram
to 1 full gram per injection point
for dry wood termites.
For subterranean, I need anywhere
from 1/10th of a gram to 1 gram.
Remember, these are five gram vials.
So if I put a gram
in each one of those, okay,
you're talking about blowing
a hole vial of that stuff
in that board
that you just saw in the video
which should be $80 worth of treatment
there minimally.
So and you see for Formosan termites,
where it says carton and nest,
it's even worse.
Three grams, you know,
3/10ths to 3 complete grams.
So you'd be looking
for 6 holes, 18 grams,
you need 3 vials of this just to do
that small little example
I just showed you there.
So again, this stuff
is to be used very judiciously.
And, you know,
that may be why a lot of you
have never seen it.
Okay, is because it's expensive.
All right,
so that's a little bit
about Termidor dry,
a lot of places
they'll use like alpine foam,
they'll take in
drill those little 3/16th inch holes
and it will put that alpine
foam in there,
it does this kind of a similar concept,
except it's a foam material
but the whole idea's
to get termites to ingest it.
So that pretty much wraps up
our module, okay.
We've talked about, you know,
concentration,
you know, the .06 is the standard
mixture we use.
We talked about how we figure out
how many ounces of Termidor
we're gonna need
to make our correct mix.
We can either take .8 fluid ounces
times the number of gallons
we need to make or we can,
you know, kind of round it off
and do it that way.
So you get a couple
different tools there to use.
We talked about wet foam,
dry foam, we talked about,
you know, what is it, how do you mix it,
how do you use it.
We talked about Termidor dry.
So that pretty much wraps up
with what we're going to do today.
Now I just want to ask,
I'm just little concerned
with our last module,
so many of you felt
that your head was ready to explode,
how are you feeling about this one?
Did this give you,
you know, some basic knowledge
that's gonna be helpful
to really understand this?
So, "Yes, it did."
"No, I'm still kind of in the fog."
And yeah, you know,
it's a lot coming actually,
so just be patient with yourself and,
you know, get out in the field
and get with people
that know how to do this stuff out there
and just kind of practice,
you know, practice doesn't make perfect
but it makes better.
So we got to make sure we do that.
Okay, very good.
Tomorrow's going to be a big day,
you need to bring
a couple of things tomorrow.
You need to bring your Matrix, okay.
The spiral bound Matrix
that you should have got in your kit,
make sure you bring that.
Bring your treatment spec sheet or your,
you know, your iPad
with your treatment specs
because the first module tomorrow
is going to be treatment plan
just a reminder we start at 10am
tomorrow, not noon,
and there you kind of used to this noon,
you know, gig we got going.
But tomorrow, it's at 10am
and I will be doing that
and then we'll be taking a break
and coming back and doing at the job.
That will be the last module
that's required
for the termite specialists.
You're welcome to watch
the Matrix if you want,
termite specialists,
it's not required, up to you.
Inspectors, it's not optional for you,
you're going to need
to attend the Matrix.
And you know, nobody really knows
what it is for sure,
so you might want to tune in
and find out.
Everybody should a watch
that Matrix Ivod,
the Matrix tomorrow
is different than that.
Okay, it's not the same thing,
it's more of an application exercise,
were you have to actually use
the Matrix
to answer some of the questions
I'm going to give you.
And then we'll give you a final exam
information tomorrow
and survey information,
that type of thing.
So that's pretty much it from me
unless you don't have any...
If you have a question,
I'll be more happy
to answer it real quickly.
If there are no questions,
I'm going to let you go and,
you know, try to hit
those treatment specs again,
and then I'd pick up a couple or more
'cause they're going to come
in to play again tomorrow
big time when we talk about
the different treatment plans.
So looks like we have no questions,
so everybody have a good evening.
I'll see you tomorrow morning at 10am.