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World Leaders Forum Event - The Magic in Fascism

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Amartya Sen: And magic is very important in Modi. Amartya Sen: Demonetization is part of the magic. Amartya Sen: I think anyone with any kind of training in economics Amartya Sen: would find it difficult to believe Amartya Sen: why making it illegal Amartya Sen: to hold notes of certain kinds Amartya Sen: would improve the performance of the people. Amartya Sen: I mean, there was some idea Amartya Sen: that you would catch thieves, Amartya Sen: people who have fake money. Amartya Sen: But if you look through it, Amartya Sen: you will recognize that people Amartya Sen: don't hold black money in trade notes- Amartya Sen: they convert it into properties Amartya Sen: like land and housing -- housing very much. Amartya Sen: The world we live in believes in magic. Amartya Sen: The magic is also extended Amartya Sen: in the pictures of war toys Amartya Sen: and the attack on Pakistan. Amartya Sen: We are in this odd position- Amartya Sen: the country of Gandhi is now going around Amartya Sen: claiming we actually killed many more people Amartya Sen: as if that would have been Amartya Sen: a tremendously good thing. Amartya Sen: I have to say, that returning the pilot, Amartya Sen: who fell down, was not a victory of the Indian side. Amartya Sen: It shows, somewhat surprisingly, Amartya Sen: generosity on the part of the government defendant Amartya Sen: because, usually, it is done at the end of the war. Amartya Sen: But to convert that into a victory of India… Amartya Sen: We got a pilot who was shot down. Amartya Sen: We were afraid that he would be tortured Amartya Sen: and possibly executed, Amartya Sen: instead, he was generously released. Amartya Sen: I dare say there is a kind of magic Amartya Sen: in saying this is to the glory of the present government. Amartya Sen: I'm told that the support of the government Amartya Sen: dramatically increased after that. Amartya Sen: Now that is magic. Amartya Sen: You know, I remember in my college days, Amartya Sen: my school days, really, Amartya Sen: people would ask who are the great figures? Amartya Sen: Some people say Gandhi ji Amartya Sen: and some would say Tagore. Amartya Sen: And one chap said P.C. Sircar Amartya Sen: who was a magician. Amartya Sen: Now, the idea of that, you see here, Amartya Sen: is not Gandhi or Tagore, Amartya Sen: that is P.C. Sircar. Amartya Sen: By the way, I was a great devotee of P.C. Sircar. Amartya Sen: I don't want to blame him, Amartya Sen: but there is magic. Amartya Sen: The love of magic Amartya Sen: is quite important in the election. Amartya Sen: I think resisting magic Amartya Sen: is as important as almost Amartya Sen: anything else that's going on. Amartya Sen: And one of the ways to challenge Amartya Sen: is to challenge the magic Amartya Sen: that is being presented. Amartya Sen: I think the Ayushman, Amartya Sen: healthcare being a universal health care Amartya Sen: is an attempt at a rather, Amartya Sen: extraordinary kind of magical thought Amartya Sen: because it doesn't even touch these people. Amartya Sen: It has got nothing to offer Amartya Sen: to people who don't have a primary health care. Amartya Sen: If there is something to offer, Amartya Sen: it will need an expensive operation Amartya Sen: and go to a private hospital Amartya Sen: and get paid. Amartya Sen: I said that in a speech rather like this. Amartya Sen: They had the Ayushman say Amartya Sen: that much of them doesn't understand it. Amartya Sen: He doesn't understand because Amartya Sen: I'll find it is not only to do this, Amartya Sen: but also to do the other. Amartya Sen: Now here we run into Amartya Sen: a major thought Amartya Sen: and I'm afraid it applies even Amartya Sen: to my concern about spending Amartya Sen: so much money on cash Amartya Sen: rather than healthcare and education. Amartya Sen: The poor in India Amartya Sen: does not know where to go Amartya Sen: when your child has illness, Amartya Sen: Ayushman is not going to help you. Amartya Sen: Ayushman would help you Amartya Sen: if you have lived a very long time Amartya Sen: and then you have an extensive operation Amartya Sen: which a private hospital Amartya Sen: will provide for you and Amartya Sen: then you take the bill and ask the government to pay. Amartya Sen: That does nothing for the girl Amartya Sen: with the empty stomach. Amartya Sen: I think we have to turn our fixture Amartya Sen: to needs and work Amartya Sen: and to the freedom of speech Amartya Sen: because as I was trying to say, Amartya Sen: freedom of speech is central to all these things. Amartya Sen: We won't talk about works and needs, Amartya Sen: we will only talk about Ayushman Amartya Sen: and not about what's happened Amartya Sen: to basic health care and so on. Amartya Sen: If freedom of speech is interrupted Amartya Sen: and harshly dealt with, Amartya Sen: I repeat again by saying Amartya Sen: it's not the case that these problems didn't exist earlier, Amartya Sen: but these problems have become Amartya Sen: dramatically more important recently. Amartya Sen: The song of creation, Mantra 10, Amartya Sen: asks the question: Amartya Sen: Does God exist? Amartya Sen: How do we know? Amartya Sen: And if God existed, Amartya Sen: and if he is still alive, Amartya Sen: would he remember all that? Amartya Sen: How does he remember? Amartya Sen: And so on. Amartya Sen: That's in the Vedas. Amartya Sen: There's also the first discussion in Rig Vedas Amartya Sen: about gambling Amartya Sen: and the dilemma of the gambler, Amartya Sen: who is irresistibly drawn to it, Amartya Sen: what the Greeks would call weakness of the will. Amartya Sen: They discuss a lot of it Amartya Sen: and discuss it in the Vedas quite brilliantly. Amartya Sen: But instead of that, Amartya Sen: the RSS will say mathematics happened dramatically in India Amartya Sen: from Aryabhatt onward. Amartya Sen: We have to accept that, Amartya Sen: the impulse that came from the Amartya Sen: influence of Babylon and Greece, Amartya Sen: made a big difference. Amartya Sen: A dramatic difference. Amartya Sen: And then, of course, the Arabs Amartya Sen: were the great exponent of Indian mathematics. Amartya Sen: All this was going on. Amartya Sen: To not understand that Amartya Sen: and to think of India as a kind of Amartya Sen: self-made creature germinating Amartya Sen: like a gram on the ground alone. Amartya Sen: That is magic. Amartya Sen: We have to get rid of, Amartya Sen: not only of the bias, Amartya Sen: but also the magic. Thank you. Prabhat Patnaik: One of the things which actually surprises me Prabhat Patnaik: is that the kind of support Prabhat Patnaik: that this kind of magic Prabhat Patnaik: or this kind of fascism Prabhat Patnaik: commands among the educated middle classes in India. Prabhat Patnaik: That's quite remarkable Prabhat Patnaik: because, many of them, Prabhat Patnaik: I'm not talking about universities like mine and so on Prabhat Patnaik: where there are a lot of protests, Prabhat Patnaik: but I think large numbers of people Prabhat Patnaik: are actually taken in by this Prabhat Patnaik: and were great supporters of Modi, Prabhat Patnaik: particularly the educated people. Prabhat Patnaik: It is quite surprising. Prabhat Patnaik: We are beginning to have Prabhat Patnaik: the kind of peasant assertion Prabhat Patnaik: in which I see a lot of hope. Prabhat Patnaik: I think the more the discourse shifts Prabhat Patnaik: away from Hindutva and Pakistan and so on, Prabhat Patnaik: towards issues of peasant conditions of life Prabhat Patnaik: towards issues of unemployment and so on, Prabhat Patnaik: the more, in fact, people will begin Prabhat Patnaik: to assert themselves in the election, Prabhat Patnaik: and thereafter, as citizens. Prabhat Patnaik: But the more they actually start talking about Prabhat Patnaik: Hindutva and Pakistan, Prabhat Patnaik: the more they become victims of the magic Prabhat Patnaik: that Professor Sen was talking about. Prabhat Patnaik: On this magic- Prabhat Patnaik: I just want to recollect an occasion Prabhat Patnaik: that you see after demonetization, Prabhat Patnaik: everybody had great difficulties Prabhat Patnaik: because you had absolutely no cash Prabhat Patnaik: and so you went and queued up, Prabhat Patnaik: you got up at four o'clock in the morning Prabhat Patnaik: to go and queue up outside the banks and so on. Prabhat Patnaik: And it was extremely inconvenient Prabhat Patnaik: and people simply could not believe Prabhat Patnaik: that anything as distressing as this Prabhat Patnaik: could be inflicted upon them without very good reasons. Prabhat Patnaik: The more you faced hardships, Prabhat Patnaik: the more you thought, Prabhat Patnaik: what a wonderful government we have, Prabhat Patnaik: they don't actually show any fear Prabhat Patnaik: in inflicting this hardship on me. Prabhat Patnaik: And that just shows how committed Prabhat Patnaik: they are to the good of the country. Prabhat Patnaik: So that's the kind of magic- Prabhat Patnaik: you do something, Prabhat Patnaik: you do something pretty ruthlessly Prabhat Patnaik: shock and awe. Prabhat Patnaik: And as a result, Prabhat Patnaik: the more you put shock and awe into people Prabhat Patnaik: for a while obviously because, now, that has worn off, Prabhat Patnaik: but, for a while, it actually can have Prabhat Patnaik: this kind of magical impact that Prabhat Patnaik: Professor Sen and was talking about. Ruchira Gupta: Magic is so essential to fascism. Ruchira Gupta: And how Hitler also used notions of mysticism. Ruchira Gupta: You know, the great Nordic person Ruchira Gupta: who was of a superior race should rule the world. Ruchira Gupta: And talking about a past which did not exist. Ruchira Gupta: Hinting at a future which would never be Ruchira Gupta: and inciting people to create the "other" Ruchira Gupta: and towards violence, Ruchira Gupta: it was all about exclusion. Ruchira Gupta: So, what's at stake here, Ruchira Gupta: really here in this election, Ruchira Gupta: is that, what approach do we choose in India? Ruchira Gupta: The politics of inclusion Ruchira Gupta: or the politics of exclusion? Ruchira Gupta: And what do you feel- Ruchira Gupta: that can this magic that is associated Ruchira Gupta: with the present ruling party Ruchira Gupta: the kind of clothes, the prime minister wears Ruchira Gupta: with the turbans and all of that, Ruchira Gupta: the kind of slogans he uses, Ruchira Gupta: the kind of campaigns that are run Ruchira Gupta: are so full of symbolic aesthetics Ruchira Gupta: which are so full of blood and orange Ruchira Gupta: and how is it going to play out? Ruchira Gupta: And what really is at stake then? Ruchira Gupta: And what should India be doing now?

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World Leaders Forum Event - The Magic in Fascism

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