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Interview: Peter Joseph on Eerie Investigations (2009)

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Peter Joseph, director of Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist: Addendum and founder of The Zeitgeist Movement Hello. -Hi Peter. I'm so pleased to be talking to you again. Now, Zeitgeist Movement, it's starting to be a runaway train, isn't it. It's really gathering momentum at the moment. - I hope so. I certainly liked what I've seen, you know? So much great action. And so many are people so dedicated that the seeds have been planted I think. I look forward to seeing how things progress. I thought the event went very well. Well, we've just seen you do a fantastic talk, really putting things into detail. - Thanks. - I really just wonrdered where the spark of the Zeitgeist came from. What was the passion that started you off on this journey? I guess ultimately we all have, most of us have an interest to see things function in some type of fairly good way, for lack of a better expression. I think all of us don't wanna to see, I think most people don't like to see crime and poverty, even though our values in the media certainly wouldn't suggest that. People, for some reason, they see movies about suffering and violence. It's exciting but yet I think they naturally are horrified when it happens to them. So, invariably, the Zeitgeist Movement is an attempt to do something to change all the problems that we tend to see. My spark was actually inadvertant. It was a media project, the original film, which I think I had mentioned to you before. And essentially, I wanted to create an artistic expression that reflected certain values, awarenesses, gestures, and challenge people. Ultimately, invariably, it had to do with dishonesty, I think, weather you call it corruption or whatever you wanna to label it. But there's a great deal of dishonesty amongst people. And, that manifests in so many different ways. And, the reason it sticks out to me me is: "Why are they being so dishonest?" And there is a reason for that. And that was really the train of thought that lead to the second film. The first film sparked the kind of environment. People responded. Second film, Zeitgeist: Addendum, started to address things that no one talks about. It's always about people, like, this person did this, and that person did that, not, this person did this because, or that person did this because. There's very little motivation in society to understand the root causes of anything, unfortunately. So, that's really what the movement's about at it's cellular level. - Thre so many people have come today to hear you speak. And, they've come from far and wide, haven't they? From Germany. - They have. It's amazing. People are very interested in what you are trying to achieve with this. So many people, millions in fact, are on board with the message of what you are trying to do, and the change you are trying to bring about. How do we progress that? Or, how does one progress that yourself? 'Cause I know you don't want to be just the focal point of the Zeitgeist. You do want to spread this far and wide. So, what would be your aims if you wanted to tell people to make this happen? 'Cause I know you don't want to make this a money thing. You've made that very clear. And you were talking about maybe land being donated to start the project off. What else would work? The project isn't just... I don't think this is what you're suggesting, but you mentioned land to start the project. The project begins right now. It begins in the sense of human identification and a sort of value adaptation to something that actually would work in society. In other words, we can't create, say a utopia, even though, there's no such thing as a utopia. Even if you created a utopia in it's structure, meaning that there's no such thing as abundance of everything in the out of the extreme, like fantasy. If humans were just dropped into that environment as they exist today they would still be killing each other, because they wouldn't understand. It would take them a long time to adapt. That's the issue. It's a social therapy issue. That's really what the Zeitgeist Movement is about more than anything else. It's not so much about, you know... The projects of technology and all the understandings are important to relay what is possible, but it's really about social therapy and making people question their values and question why they think their greedy mentality is supported and why they think it might be natural. And I think once people begin to understand that most of their ideas and most of their behavior is really manifest of what has been pushed upon them. We've been kind of pushed in different directions and this direction will support your behavior, this direction will not. Altruism and...doing things for no money. Most people don't find that supportive because they can't really succeed in the material world that they live in so they move towards environments less altruistic, naturally. Because, they need to make money, unfortunately. It's not the case for everybody, but, unfortunately everybody has to survive. So, the Zeitgeist Movement is to not to deny that, it's to point it out. And, to relay that information and to show that this society, this civilization can be redesigned in a way that all of the attributes that tend to lead to dishonest behavior will no longer exist. And, dishonesty will no longer be a viable isue. Again, that might sound utopistic but it's not in the sense of it's train of thought. There's a reason why people do what they do and that's what the movement is about. Again, social therapy. I say that a few times because I want people to think about that. We're shaping behavior constantly in everything that we do. If I do something offensive to somebody... all you have to do is look at the emotional scaring of people that have been abused. My mother used to be...well, she still does actually, she's retired now, but she still works in Child Protective Services. And a lot of people give Child Protective a bad name. They say it's against the family or something. Like, who are this people? But, I've seen the horrors that happens form generations and generations of child abuse, generations and generations of molestation and sexual abuse. It’s incredible to see the pattern. And, it makes sense. - Exactly. Because, you're just continuing the pattern. So, something has to stop those patterns. How do we just stop something, like...which is terrible as child abuse? That's a very complex one, at all of the extremes that we talk about in the movement. Money is a big point as far as reinforcement of selfish, you know... narrow, un-enlightened, self-interest, gratification. When it comes to difficult subjects... such as a man who gets jealous of a woman or a woman who gets jealous of a man. What's the basis of that? It makes no sense. - Where does that come from? Yeah, exactly. Or say, a man who beats up another man for looking at his girlfriend the wrong way. These sick, weird things, these jealousies, and these arrogances. Where do they come from? That's a very good question. I think that they come from the system, from many different levels. I can't pretend to give you a definative answer of where. But, what I do know is just as easily as they come in just as easily they can go out. So, if someone is educated enough in their youth, for example, instead of someone in kindergarten, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd grade learning fairy tales they'd begin to learn how to relate to each other. And, once you begin that, hate to say, program, but we are programmed machines, in a lot of ways then they'll grow up in a much more altruistic mentality. If they grow up with poor parents, an abusive, alcoholic, drug-addict father, who has succumb to those distinctions, because of his poverty and his family's abuse, these chain reactions are all there. So arrogance, dominance, competition, another great one. Why are people competitive? People say it's natural. It isn't really natural. First of all, scientifically it's always better for somebody to work with somebody else. Of course, there's been great men who, individually, like Albert Einstein, can think. But, he's building upon all of the infomation that was presented to him by all the scientists before him - "Standing on the shoulders of giants." Precisely, the old Newton quote. Simultaneously, if you have a bunch of people in a meeting about a specific idea and they share their ideas you're gonna progress much more quickly than just one person competing and hiding their information from another person who's competing and hiding the information too. So, back to my original point, competition makes no sense. - Ok. So, the reason it exists has to do with something else. I'm not saying that just because it doesn't make sense. It doesn't have a basis. We have to survive... Excuse. It doesn't have a biological basis. We have to survive. So, you could say, if two people are both deprived and they both see food, they're gonna fight for it. Therefore, they're for the competing. We want to eradicate the notion of competition by providing the goods and necessities of life for people so no one starves, and no one is without all the simplistic modern conveniences that we all have. - Do you think we're all on the path to doing this? Do you think it's happening, or do you think it's getting worse? Right now, it's getting worse. It's, by far, getting worse. - So how do we turn around? Because there is a problem with the financial system at the moment. This is a very dodgy area. - Yes, which is good in a way, because it's showing people the illusion a little bit more. The financial system is, again, based on a process that is unsustainable, It's all about money being created constantly, servicing debt and various requirements that the population needs. And, the reality is that they have to keep making that money over and over again. Every country in the world has basically a fiat-based currency, I can't think who but there's a few small islands that don't have this type of system. So... But ultimately, all their money supplies slowly go up over time. It doesn't...For some countries, they're fairly well organized and it's very subtle, but when you stand back, after a hundred years. For example, in the United States the curve of the money supply... and magically will stop going up? The reason is... Why is it going up? And that's because the system is based...the energy, the fuel of the system is consumption, the circulation of money, and the creation of money, and the banks which charge money at interest are automatically creating an inherent deficit, so money has to constantly be created, so... I forgot my original point though... But go ahead and ask your question. - I was just going to say, at the moment, in plain words, there seems to be a gold rush on. And, we see these adverts over here in England and they want to buy you gold. - True. - People are selling their gold and they're getting money back. So if the system crashes people are left with nothing. What do you know about this? Is that happen in the states? - Well, gold has always been a flight... an investment flight. When the dollar is bad and the economy goes bad. The dollar, if you track any currency it tends to be inverse to gold. So if the currency is going down, the gold will go up. It's a psychological pattern based on the fact that gold is a legitimately valuable resource, based on what I understand, and it's generally scarce. It's utility... it has certain applications but it's not really that applicable, as far as what it can be used for. So, it's basically psychology. Gold has value and that's basically it. I mean, people are selling their gold because they can get currency for it. I think it's equally nonsensical. It doesn't mean anything. Obviously, people are doing what they have to do to survive. Gold standards, all of those things are equally as corrupt because the value of gold is still determined subjectively. So, even if you had a gold standard... This is a different topic of what you are talking about, you could still manipulate the value of the natural reaource. Now, in this future idea that you have, within your movement, and the Venus Project, we see this wonderful place as the circular cities. We saw that on the program. Now if we could get that kind of society it would be fantastic, but, the question I did want to ask was: When everything is done like that and it's provided and there's only a small workforce that does need to keep thing ticking and working, how do you see people spending their time? What will they do? That's always a common question. I think... The value system of society will be altered. I think, we all have things we like to do. I think you enjoy what you are doing. It's not that you just have to do it for money. Many people, of course, are trapped in the world of being slaves, legitamately not having any appreciation for what they do, and legitmately so. I mean, there's people I meet... For example, I was walking on the street on New York, the other day, going somewhere. And there was...I saw him on a distance, a man... with a little packet of brochures and standing with is arm out stratched. He was hanging out flyers, but he wasn't just actively doing it. He could tell, he was doing it forever, I think. I saw him very briefly. He wasn't mentally ill. This is a job. He decided to stick his arm out with... like a stand, like a statue and hold it out if anyone wants to pick it. This was his job. - So, it was like mechanical. - Absolutely mechanical, a waste of life. - My god. - So you can't say that people have choices on what they do. That individual doesn't have a choice, there's a specific biosocial circumstance, which is created him and forced him into a position of that lowest, degrating, common denominator of labor and unfortunately that's the reality, so... People now unfortunately don't even know what they would do from any of them, because they've been so conditionated... There's an example that Jacque told me that I really like: Many many years ago on an island you'd have women that would carry arneses with water and everyday they go down with this... You see in culture still today, this arneses they have and they go to the river and they get water, put on their backs like this and they walk up to their hut or whatever, and that's what leads to cook and make a fire. What if someone said to them: "Hey, you know what? One day we'll gonna have water and you just turn the faucet down. You'll never gonna have to go down to that river, ever again, which they did three times a day. The woman might responde: "Well, what would I do?" Because that's the nature of our condition. If you don't have a awarness of what's possible, then you're trapped in a limited frame of mind, that's what our system does. We're constantly trapped on a very small frame of mind. Limited resources, you limit your possibility, that's what people are trapped into everyone's possibilities is limited and they can't see outside of it. I think people would do all sorts of incredible things, I think they will be... - We can be more creative. - Absolutely, they will invent. - Yes, that's what I think too. - They won't... Imagine right now, you took all of the military men on the planet, all of them. I mean, I don't even wanna think about the numbers. And you sent them all to school to become engineers, architects and technicians. Imagine how incredible the world might be. Or another example I used in Addendum: imagine if all the guys that worked on the Manhattan Project, all of them instead worked on creating a sustainable environment, as opposed on a nuclear bomb, which kills people. Imagine what the world might be. - It'd be a lot better, would be? - People would do what is rewarding on whatever personal level. Sadly, to finish my point, that's been ripped out of people. - Well, this is it, 'cause people have been so programmed to ... When kids are growing up and they're in school and they're being forced to study, and it's like: "What you gonna be when you grow up?" You have to been something. And they... They probably just have no idea but they're forced into They could be forced into doctors, lawyers and chefs and they could be so far from what they could be or should be. - Absolutely, people...again, they're possibilities... The older people only seems to be, like they just get more and more narrow, so you're fairly free as a child, as you hear people playing in here, and there's a great creativity and then you get to school and then you realise that you've got to make money, and you get to college. Most people when they go to college they don't have a major then second or third, you have to have a major, so... they slowly narrow your possibilities. It's based on the monetary system. Nothing more. - And then...yes. - And sadly, people valuable themselves based on their occupation. They brainwash themselves based on what they've been forced into. - And it's like you got to have six, ten A levels, before you can have some kind of a lofty decent job, but their so many people of...children come out of school and they find a way, because they become inventive and creative, like myself. - Sure. - But I suppose that there channels open up when the other channels are closed. - Yes, yes. I think there are always exceptions but I think that people like Nikola Tesla and Albert Einstein and these individuals don't have to be so few, I don't think...I think they're not brilliant... Jacque dropped out of school at fourteen. His brilliance comes of his condition, he'll be the first to admit that. Brilliant mind, brilliant genetics to probably to a certain degree. But he'll be the first to tell you that he has culminated his ideas. I've culminated my ideas. I'm not special. No one's special. There's no special. It's a ridiculous idea and I think the possibilities for people, obviously there's a difference. There's a difference between somebody who has a sever learning disability that has a problem. - Yes. There's only so far you can go to help somebody that usually... at least at this point of time, based on what we understand. But then those people are fairly cognitively secure and they learn fairly easly and... On average people, I think, can understand basic premesis and can think creatively if the enviroment allows them to do so. - Ok. - So, to answer your question I think we can have many Da Vinci's. Seriously, I think the possibility of each human being is tremendous, it's just been...most people are so restricted, you know. - Do you feel that with The Venus Project and the like, we the technology already to do that. Could that be just done tomorrow, what you have in mind? - Yes, based on what I understand, based on the resources and analyses, the works Jacques done, many things that he won't even tell people, because he had all of his stuff stolen from him throughout the years. He has numerous inventions, he doesn't even care about the technology at this point. Even thought he has tremendous good things. What I mean by that, he's focused on the social aspect. I've said to him: "Why don't you do this and this and maybe this will help this." He said: "Well, that's parcially relevant but it's much more important to focus on large order or social issue." And I completely agree with him. The first very base of our society is energy and I think it was successfully related in Zeitgeist: Addendum and it's statisticly proven, we can power this planet and his current population, many many times the population that exists now with the energy that we have. And we always find new energy. - I do believe that. Yes, because one thing we do have is solar energy. - Yes, it's a simply a meaner of technology to figure out how to maximize. There's new nanotechnology, they're solar painels that are so small, their operation that they can really encapsulate and their power is tremendous. So, the next level is resources in general. Minerals and all of this things. There some much amazing... Here's an example. People say we have food problems, right? One billion people starving and aperantly we're running out of food. "We don't have food." - I don't believe that in a second, actually. - Of course not. Think in this way. In the ocean there's a pifany of organic matter. If you take that organic matter, high nutrients, ... but you can funnel all that organic material into skyscrapers, that have on every single level ... size, hydroponic rotation plants and you could build as many as you want. And entire edge as thicker as the coast line, which can produce probably enough food, you could have a farm on each floor. It's really just a matter of what we decide to do. - Exactly You can make a massive complex the size of nothing you ever imagined, which only grows vegetation for the entire North America region, and you have an automated systems that automaticly created, and it funnels out for transportation systems, each central hub of a community, everyone gathers their produce. But I'm in the car, I'm driving along the road, the motorway, and then I just look at all the different trees, which could be producing food or ... where there could be things crowing and I just think, there's so much land where we could be producing food and a friend and I, we actually had an idea where in my garden, I have three apple trees actually and a pear tree, but I have so much food that I can't eat it all. - Sure. - I do what I can with it. But we've came up with an idea, where we go to do like a fruit share, so the fruit that we've got, we're gonna give to people in our area and if they've got something that, they've got surplus of they'll give to us for free, so we gonna share the fruit. - Yes. - Yes, or vegetables, whichever, if you've got too much of, so I can give it away. - I think it's amazing how inificient the vegetation growth is, in smaller communities 'cause you will find that everyone I ever known, that grows has pear trees and apples, they have a bunch of waste. - Exactly. - It's just like you can't even eat it all. It's so much of it. - I know. - We're gonna start a project of how we gonna do it. We gonna find somewhere, once a week, at take what food we've got through the growing seasons, through the Autumn and just take and share it. - Yes. - And people can bring something back and return if they want to, if they have something, I don't mind just give it away rather than just being... - Absolutely, and back to the point that I've made in the presentation earlier about the ... of efficiency, that's exactly what the all society does. For example, on the Great Depression factories couldn't sell milk. Instead of giving it to the people, they would just dump it all into gutter. - I just hate things like that. In our area for example, there is a fantastic group comes around and they do collect surplus fruit and they call organically, and they take it and they give it out to community projects for free to certain people how can't unfortunately refuse, so I think it's fantastic. - Yes, absolutely. - I don't know if there's anything like that in where you are. - There's smiliar smaller programms and the efectives of course, it's altruistic and beautiful but the effect is so minimal. It's the unfortunate aspect of all of this. Is that, our activism at this stage, it can't only go so far because of the established institutions that are in power. - Yes. - If an organization can't give enough money to do something, because their not making a profit, even if they qoute "non-profit", the distintion that you have in United States. They have an ... limitation, because more profit they get, this sort of paradox, they become an established and then it becames corrupt, very often. - So it's an unfortane side effect. There's a lot of brilliant volunteers and it happens all around the world but it's not enough. Again, back to the other point, you know, people donate small amounts of money to UNICEF and all this organizations that promote the ... poverty and that's just the wrong idea. The idea is to make a structure to get them the food and the things that they need. - And to make them suficient as well. - Yes, and to pull them out of that and put them in a society and system that works. There's no reason for any of the... - Like the hydroponics. - Absolutely, the hydroponics agriculture. Unfortunately is very expensive now. 'Cause this is a technical thing, but the resources aren't complex. It's really not a complex process. I've seen hydroponics farms. - It could work anywhere. - I've seen hydroponics in the deserts. You have to go straight down to the desert. Excuse me, to the water table. And it might be difficult. I think, the Saahra, if a remember correctly, has a water table that is accessible. - Ok. So, their might be some deserts, that might be... Again, but it's all a matter of degree in technology. If you have to go down a mile, that might seem dramatic but if you can do it, what the problem. - You feed thousands of people. It's worth it. - Yes, of course. - I doubtly think you need to have that kind of extremity. Industrialised world could easily, on top of what it produces now, produce enought to feed, cloth, house every person in the unindustrialised nations. It's just a matter of the focus to do so. - Where do you see the Zeitgeist Movement, one year from now? Where would you like to see it? - I don't really think about it that way. - No? - I guess what I'd like to see...Where I see, I don't know. But where I would like to see it I suppose would be a nice organised system with pockets of memberships and activist working, education groups, all over the planet, hopefully, relatively equal distant. So when you look at a map of the planet, you look at the population of those who are in the movement, you have this tremendous spots everywhere. And slowly throught time, it will emerge and everything will slowly come together, and the establishment will be absolutelyl horrified of all governments, all governments will say "What's going on, we've been trying to promote ourselves and keep our patriotism and keep our industries against all this damn governments, now we have this sub-movement that wants to unify the world and have the world work together." And it's gonna be difficult from that angle, but the beauty of this approach the way I see it is that it's less acceptable to the type of horrors that we see that the establishment does. If there was ever an act of violence by a government against the Zeitgeist Movement. - I was gonna ask you about that, actually. - Other government, excuse me, not other governments. This entire pool of people could go jump into action And the propone of numbers for that are quite straight. You can't just do it with a couple hundred people or this city. It has to be a substencial relative amount of people. I hope it doesn't have to work out like that. I hope in some way it eventually this things will click, and eventually we get people that are fairly high up in the establish structure to finally get turned around, so it doesn't have to be this, you know, all overflow. I hate to think about it that day. - But people are looking at you as a... They're all looking at you as somekind of... I don't want to say savior. That's totally the wrong way. - No. But really for someone to start a new structure and people how have done that in the past, some of them came a little bit as sticky edge. - Well, sure, I think that... - Are you worried about that? - I'm strategically counting that possibility, because of the way that I'm trying to organise it as a global structure. And I hopefully in one year for now, there will be other people like me. I have a thing on my site that it's a lecture circuit which I'm instructing. So it'll just not be me or Jacque or Roxanne, it will be anyone that learn this information to a high enough agree where they can go out and have events like this. And people respect it and they will become representativs. Everyone is a representativ. At least that's the way like to think about it. That's the way I encourage people to think about themselves. It's to easy to point it off at some leader, some suppose leader. That's a tendacy people have too. They don't wanna do anything, and they just point it off at somebody else and that's definitely dangerous. But to take down anybody, in the higher ... of say anykind of movement. If the movement is holographic and ... there's just people everywhere. But it'll be not motivation to do so. So that's the balance it has to occur. I need a team of people and I have a good number of them in different countries, now. That's to say about 12 or 14 centralised groups that are doing autonomous things, and I think... I well respect what there's doing. It seem to be on track. And there in charge of their area so to speak. So, I think... Hopefuly, eventually... - So you're pleased with the way things are going. - I suposse, it could be better. But it's a difficult ... - It's a start, isn't it? - Yeah, the organisation, of course, as you can imagine it's very very hard. Even just the website organisation about how to deal with groups, and throught the most... What's the word I'm looking for? Sorry, I'm a bit tired, today. - I know. The most relevant and logical way to do something, the easies way. The least resistance to get an organisation like this together, it's a massive mental ... . - Yes. Because if you're doing a global activist community, sort of speak, it has so many different variables and so many different people, and so this is an ongoing process. But to answer your question, i'm fairly happy with it. - What you're trying to bring off it's such an wonderful project. - I think so. - And I think something like this will take time, but we hope this gonna happen in the future. - And again it's an atitude. People shouldn't be too strong about it. They should be serious about it but I get a little discouraged when I meet people that are far to gun ho, 'cause it can't work like that. You have to... You live your life, and you have to look at this as a larger order project larger order project. You just think about it in the way the early stonemasons built the huge cathedrals. Where it took generations to build this massive ... So they knew they were gonna see the end of this cathedral by the time that they die and I don't like to throw a ... that non of this could happen in one lifetime. I think, generally speak, when it comes the value adaptations, it might that a lot longer than that. Doesn't mean we can't create a new society, in the mean time that can solve a good amount of the problems and begin the transcition. - But I think people are trying, aren't they? Because their building solar energy and panels and wave energy and tidel energy. - Luckly it's become a fad, odely enough. - There is a think happening where people, they realise there's problems in the enviroment, so all this companies are promoting green ideas, green products. They're not really green if you look closer at most of them. But nevertheless it's great because it's showing that the public it's becoming somewhat aware. People are coming aware and even if there's certain enviromental problems that aren't as relevant as people make them out to be. Regardless, it's planting the seed for people star understading that they are interconnected with the enviroment. Obvious truths that unfortunately most people have... Like, most obvious truths are the most profound and are the most lost, seems. - If one person could make a difference what would suggest that they would do? - That's a very tough question. You have to become a part of the community. It's not a matter of just individuals doing something, it's a matter of working together in a way that begins to affect the enviroment that they're in. - Like sharing the fruit. - Sure, that's a great idea, I think, simply... Everyone has different fresh holes of what they're capable of doing, as far as time. I'm unfortunate to have enough time to come and do this things. Other people have ... everyday and they can't do stuff like that, so what they would do, I recommend is educate whatever way you possible can, and simultaneously began to reject the value system of the current establishment, and eventually reject the system in anyway you can. So, for example in the Zeitgeist: Addendum I say: "Don't support the dominant energy structures, go off if you live in a rural area you can do it through time, make you're home completely self-suficient. - Yes. - Reject the established monitary consumption. There's an idea called the Time Bank, which I mentioned earlier. - Yes, yes. - And what that would do... There's complexty to that, which I won't go into right now, but if people did volunteered and boarder there, their actions and services, the great thing about that, apart from the altruism is that it would hurt the establishment and hurt the economy, which of course it's both good and bad because people do relay in the economy, and eventually people would suffer because of that. In other words, there's a fresh hole of how long can you reject the system before people get hurt. And that's an infortunate reality so it's just one of those things. - It's bridge in the gap, isn't it? - Yes, I'm not in advocation of some kind of monstrous break down and anarchy and all this suffering, even though unfortunately to a certain degree, that's what brings a lot of social change historicly. - Yes. - I think that if enough people are willing to learn and educate and understand and then put pressure, I use the word pressure, on the social enviroment, and show the power that they have. Acts of social rejection against the establishment that would be a great way to move forward. - Did someone ask you the question, didn't he? Like, do we need some kind of really big event to happen before we do change the system or could it be done gradually? - Yeah, that's a great question. And that's what I might address in the new film. I will address in the new film 'cause there is an avenue, believe it or not, that could be gradual and that's been talked about for an hundred of fifty years. - Yes. - This gradual, using technology to replace human labour, increasing the wages strategically. But the more you think about that gradual step by step implementation of automation and aboundance creation, you see that it invariably goes against the grain of those that are running the show, because of the profit structure, 'ause you're invariably eliminating their leaders slowly. So, now, you're not eliminating all the problems, you're eliminating the elite. - Yes. - So, there's only so far you might be able to go with an approach like that, and I'm... - You're gonna ruffle a few fellows. - Yes. - You are already ruffling fellows. - There are certain areas that could happen. You socialized health care in the UK, why not socialize energy. Why not set an automation system, get read of all the companies and set an automation system that could produce an abudance of energy for everyone and no one ever has to pay for it. That would be an altruistic step. - I think that would be wonderful. - I wouldn't be opposed to that, of course, it would be in the monetary system to a certain degree but, you know... When you say though unfortunately people than say: "Wait a minute, that's communism, or that's ..." and negative because they've been brain washed in this idea and there is a problem with those notions. - But I think it will come to a point, because bills are going up all the time and people just can't keep up. So something's gonna change. - I hope so, I hope so, yeah. The change really... I think the establishment can maintain a lot longer than most people think. It has done so for quite a while. This revolution should have occured after the Great Depression. The Great Depression didn't have the advanced technology, but it had the ... technology. But something happened and then... The system just slams down and than it comes up and everything's great. Slams down people get upset and slowly they ... again, and I think as much as I talk the collapse of the system due to the technological unemployment. if the people don't understand the possibilities they could still salvage the system. They still gonna have outrageous poverty and corruption. People just become more accustomed to it. They'll became to think there's too many people on the planet, and they'll say: "Poverty is just the way it is." That's just a escape goal. - That's another escape go. Because people that say that haven't done any analyses. They don't... And the politicians that are put there it's another escape go. It's nonsensical, and certainly it makes no sense. Back to the original point, each individual person just needs to figure how to engage their enviroment in the best way they can. Specificaly those that don't understand the movement, don't understand the ideas. I don't even care about the movement. It just present the ideas and get people to want to understand and relay that train of though to others, and hopefully a new value system emerge where people will look at the world from the same points of the possibilities. And get out all of the classist, even racist and all this annoying things that keep perpetuating. Dualities and the good and evil and all of this things. So something can happen to the value system, very profound, even without the implementation. It could only go so far because of the renforcement of the system but, we'll see. - Well, I think you really planted the seeds. - Thank you. - Have a wonderful time, making this world... I wish you all the best. - Thank you. - Thank you so much. Many thanks to Peter for his time For more information, see Presented by Karen Frandsen

Video Details

Duration: 37 minutes and 25 seconds
Year: 2009
Country: United Kingdom
Language: English
Producer: Eerie Investigations
Director: Eerie Investigations
Views: 19
Posted by: ltiofficial on Mar 23, 2019

Karen Frandsen from Eerie Investigations conducts her second interview with Peter Joseph in July 2009 to discuss the progression and future of The Zeitgeist Movement. This interview was screened on Controversial TV, Sky Channel 200, in the UK/Europe.

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