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For those of you
who weren't here
last week, I'm just going
to review a little bit.
And we're going to review a
little bit with the puppy,
and then we're going to
launch into the next phase
of attention as a behavior.
So last week, what we showed
you was how to teach puppies
the core concept that attention
is a behavior that they can
offer, that they can--
that is rewarding,
that they will get reinforcement
if they look at us.
And then we started
working up to distraction,
starting introducing
distractions
and teaching the puppy
that ignoring distractions
also is a rewarding behavior.
And we called it the
mother of all behaviors
because, as I've said many,
many times, and as we all know,
it's really not that hard to
teach dogs or puppies anything.
It's difficult, though, to
get them to do it in public
on command when we need it.
So this is the core concept
and the very first step
that we start with
with tiny baby puppies.
Jean is just pottying
the first puppy now,
but we're going to bring
her back and get started.
So after we move on to the
next level of distraction
with the puppies, show
you that, then we're
also going to do
some, I would say,
variations that you would
want to do if you were going
to go into different venues,
such as obedience or agility
with your dogs.
All right, here we
are back in business.
It's raining outside,
took a little extra time.
Hi, sweetheart.
Are you awake?
This is Imogen. So let's review,
go back through our old steps
because, with baby
puppies, especially--
hi.
Yes, good girl.
I had the wrong
end of the clicker.
That happens even to me.
Yes, good girl.
Yes, good girl.
So now I'm going to
show you guys something.
Do you notice how I have my
hands behind my back when
I'm doing this?
And I'm just going
to scrunch her up
a little bit so she knows that
I'm not working her right now.
I have my hands behind
my back, not because it's
impossible for the
puppy to understand
that they should
ignore the food,
but because I want to eliminate
as many variables as possible
in the beginning and just
make her world smaller
so that it's easy for her
to pick the right behavior.
Now that she really has this
behavior of looking at me,
I'm going to go ahead and
have the food in front of me.
I'm not really
teasing her with it,
but I think it's
really important that--
come here, sweetheart.
Come on.
I know-- I know--
I know I made you
wait a long time.
OK, oops.
I clicked you a little bit here.
She saw my hand move.
Good girl.
It's really important
to me that I
should be able to have
food in my hand at any time
when I'm training.
I'm not a fan of bait bags.
I just think it's too big
a discriminative stimulus
for dogs, and I just don't
like the way they clunk around.
I like to carry food in my hand.
Plus, again, a
core concept that,
just because you
see the food there,
going for it is not
going to-- do you
have to offer me a behavior.
That's awfully,
awfully, awfully good.
You do a so, so, so well--
so, so, so well,
doing really good.
So now we're going to
review with Gina again.
Come here.
Come here, puppy, puppy.
So yeah, I'm going to
set her up the same way
because I think this
was a really good--
this worked out great here.
So come here, puppy.
Are you OK?
Hi, how are you doing?
Hey, you want to work some more?
Yes, good girl.
That's awfully good.
Again, I don't care about
her body position or anything
at this point.
So wait till she's
looking at me.
Walk in.
Good girl.
She actually was not
distracted by you.
She was distracted by
the food in my hand.
So start in a little
bit closer, OK?
So and then just move
one foot in toward me.
And she's-- no, she
wasn't looking at me yet.
It's OK because I've added
having the hand in the front,
so you're going to have to
give her a little bit more
time to zero in
on looking at me.
OK.
Come here, puppy.
Come here.
Come here.
So now she-- now-- now she had
to, like, wait around a bit,
so let's just give her a
couple clicks just for-- no,
stay there.
Stay there.
I want to keep you
in the picture.
And I'm just going to give her
a couple of clicks to remind her
because she wasn't getting
reinforced, so she's like,
well, I don't--
I guess we're not
doing this anymore.
So I just want to remind
her that we still are.
Yes, I see you.
You have the hiccups too.
Good girl.
That's very well done.
Give her a couple more,
OK, because it's turning--
it's turning out that having
my hands in front of me
is much more distracting than we
originally thought it would be.
So let's give her a
chance to get solid.
And now-- now move your foot.
Good girl.
Yes, stay right there.
The hands are turning out to
be a lot more distracting then
you would--
oops.
You were forced on me.
You were forced on me.
I clicked you for
looking at her.
So give her a chance to look
at me, and we'll try it.
Nice.
That's what we wanted.
Sometimes even I make a mistake
it's very, very difficult
to get it right every time.
It is.
It is very difficult to
get it right every time
because you have to be quick
to click on the upswing of her
ignoring Gina.
The problem is that, when
you're clicking on the upswing,
sometimes you are
anticipating a little bit,
and you will get
it wrong sometimes.
It happens to everybody.
If somebody asks what the
upswing is-- come here.
Come here.
Oh come here, baby, baby.
Come here, baby, baby.
Yeah, I know.
Come on, baby, baby.
You're a good girl.
You're a good girl.
I'm just going to play
with my puppy for a minute,
just to give her a
little break so she
knows I'm not ignoring her.
OK, so I have a saying
in training that you
should click the intention.
You don't really know
what the intention is.
You never really know
what your dog is thinking,
but you have to--
like, for instance,
if you're training in
agility, and this is the jump,
you cannot click the dog when
they're over the jump here
if you're trying to teach
the dog to take jumps.
You have to click
just at the point
when they're about to take off.
Why?
Because if you click here,
what are you really clicking?
You're clicking the dog
for being in the air.
But if you click here,
you're clicking the decision.
So you want to
click the decision
to ignore someone not
when she's actually
ignored someone for a while.
It won't-- I should say you
will move on to duration
in ignoring, but
in the beginning,
you have to find that intention,
that moment of decision,
where they decide to
ignore the person.
And again, because you're--
you're working right
on the edge like that,
it can be very
difficult, and you really
can get tricked sometimes and
think that the dog is going
to ignore when they're not.
But as long as you're
not continually
making a mistake,
no harm, no foul.
But you do want to try and
be as quick as possible.
Come here.
Puppy, puppy, come here, pups.
I know.
We're talking a lot and
making you wait around a lot.
So come in-- yeah, come
in fairly close, Gina.
That's it.
That's good right there.
Mark, that picture look good?
Mhm.
So, puppy, you
need to look at me.
That's a little bit
too much for you?
This is turning out to be
very difficult for you.
Good girl.
I know.
You're rather hungry.
Again, we fed them
a small breakfast
so they would be
hungry because, if I
fed them a normal breakfast,
they would not be this eager.
Good girl.
We need to get some duration
on her looking at me, OK?
She's not really giving
me enough duration for me
to work with this.
Good girl.
I need, you know, at least
three to five seconds.
And again, it's
turning out to be
much more distracting than we
thought to have this in front.
OK, so the next
time, you can start
moving a foot in toward her.
Good girl.
And I'm going to
click her for a look
and look back because
the whole picture is
very difficult for her with
this food here and you there.
So yesterday, we were--
or last session, we
were up to ignoring,
but we're going
to add-- we're going to go
back to look and look back
because now we have the
food in front as well,
and it's very difficult for her.
Good girl.
Very well done.
Cheese and hot dogs are pretty--
pretty distracting.
Try it.
Oh, that was really well done.
That was an ignore.
That was an ignore.
That was good.
Now she's not looking at me.
Try it.
Oh, you were cute.
She rolled her eyeballs at you.
She rolled her eyeballs at you.
It's hard from this
angle for me to know
if she's looking here or--
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, it is difficult.
I understand.
And her eyes are pretty black,
which is a good thing, but--
oh, wow!
You see, you got it.
You see, you got it.
That was good.
That was good.
That was good.
OK, do it.
Put your foot back.
I want to try for an ignore.
Let her Let me.
Do it.
Nope.
I know what's in there.
I know.
I know.
She's pointing at it.
Hold on.
You've been working a long
time, haven't you, little girl?
Yeah, it's been a long time.
It may be too long.
Daddy thinks it's too long.
Daddy says a long time.
That was a long time.
That was a little bit
too long, you think?
Yeah, that was a
little bit too long.
That was really,
really, really good.
That was really,
really, really good.
OK, here, have a couple
more pieces of cheese.
So what's that?
OK, so you can now
bring out Bijoux.
All right, so let me just
review because it is--
it's really hard to--
I shouldn't say it's hard.
It's impossible to actually
train and talk at the same time
because it does require
undivided attention.
So just to bring it
back, last session, we
were up to attention duration
three to five seconds,
and then we had Gina coming
in and doing a distraction.
And the first step was
the look and look back,
where we clicked the look
back when she was distracted.
And then the second
step was we held out
for ignoring the distraction.
This time, we added having my
hands in front of me, which
was really, really
distracting for her,
like way more than it
would probably even
be for an adult dog just because
her tiny baby puppy brain was
like, the food is there.
The food is there.
The food is there.
So when we change
that, now we're
going to have to drop
back a little bit.
We're going to have to run
through our steps again.
So again, I took a
look and look back,
and then I took
ignore on the food.
And then when Gina
came in, I had
to go back to look and look back
a few times just because adding
the food-- that
dimension of the food--
was very difficult
for the puppy.
Every time you change
something, in "When Pigs Fly,"
I talk about the rule
of safety in training
that acts as an acronym.
You can put her down and
let her just hang around.
The acronym of safety--
and that the Y in
safety is yield.
So when you raise the
criterion in any way--
so a new venue, moving, changing
position, changing your hands--
you have to yield on the other
criteria if that makes sense.
So here, again, we had
to yield on the ignore
because we had added
the hands in front.
There is no magic sequence
in which you do this.
I'm showing you the sequence.
It works very well and is a
good template for you to use.
But hey, you know, you might not
put your hands in front of you
first.
Or you might put them in
front of you earlier or later.
It doesn't matter.
The point is, again,
change one thing at a time,
and just yield a little bit
on the other things at first,
and then quickly bring up the
criteria on the other things
again.
Good girl.
Good girl.
So do you want to work
a little because I'm
going to have you
show something else?
What do you think?
This is Bijoux.
This is Bijoux.
She's ready.
She's ready.
She's a happy girl.
She's a very, very happy person.
So OK, here's another
thing I want to show you.
So come here, Bij.
Come here.
Come here.
So for those of you that might
want to do obedience with
your dogs or any performance--
sport, agility, freestyle--
one of the problems
that people run into
is getting the dog
in heel position
and getting the dog to
maintain heel position.
And I recommend doing this
behavior-- this behavior
of attention as a behavior
does not have to always
be done in front of you.
It can be done in heel
position, and I do recommend it.
And it has the double
advantage of creating
a classically conditioned
love for heel position.
I'm going to show--
I worked on this a little bit
with this puppy last night,
so she'll probably
be pretty good at it.
But I'm going to
come back, and I'm
going to show you another puppy
that I haven't done it with
to show you why it's
so important to try
this with your-- with
your performance puppies.
Come here, performance puppy.
Come here.
Puppy, come.
Good girl.
So do you want to
show people how
you can sit in heel position?
It's really an amazing
trick for a tiny puppy.
Come here.
Sit down.
Sit down.
Oh, that's awfully good.
That's awfully good.
All righty then.
All right, so we're going to be
needing some distraction soon,
Gina.
We're going to be needing it.
Daddy did it last night,
but better look at me first.
Oh, shoot.
That's enough.
She's distracted.
Come here, puppy.
Come here.
She has to say hello to you.
She's like, what you doing here?
So just come over to me, Gina.
Just come-- puppy, puppy, pup.
Good girl.
Good come.
That's very good.
That's very good.
Come close, Gina.
Come close because the whole--
sometimes being farther
away, ironically,
is even more distracting.
Can you sit down?
Oh, that's very good.
And that's very
good looking at me.
That's very good.
Awfully good.
Wow, so this time,
Gina, try a foot.
Wait, wait till she looks
at me because she's not.
Are you?
That's perfect.
Yes, that's awfully good.
That is exactly what
we wanted to see.
Do it again.
That's perfect.
Yay, yay!
Yay!
Yay!
That was so well done!
Did you see that little
decision in her pea brain,
her little pea puppy brain?
And I say pea because they
are always full of pee.
Come here.
Sit.
attagirl.
Oh, well, that's exactly what
I wanted to show everyone.
And I want you all to--
chitty bitty-- pup.
Hey, puppy.
Did she pee-pee before?
Oh, she didn't pee-pee before.
OK, so go ahead
pee her-- pee her,
and I'll explain about that.
Yeah, she needs to pee-pee.
OK, so Sparky's
already peed, right?
Yes.
Why don't you just leave her
out there, and bring me Sparky?
Put her outside,
and bring Sparky.
So I'll show them this.
OK, so did you notice that,
when I was standing there,
she kept wanting to
pop out this way?
She doesn't want to
sit in this position.
Well, why is that?
Let's think about this.
How do we always feed our dogs?
In front of us.
We give them treats.
We give them love.
Everything is done
in this position.
There is nothing inherently more
difficult about heel position
than front position.
Think about this.
If your dog is sitting
over there, or it's--
I'm sorry, just standing there,
and you say, Fluffy, sit.
What is your dog going to do?
Your dog is going to run
and come in front of you
and sit because you have
trained that dog that
sitting facing you--
this is all-- sit means
run from wherever you are,
find the front of
the human being,
and sit in front
the human being.
That is an amazing
feat of training,
and you have done that just
by purely reinforcing it
thousands and thousands
and thousands of times.
Every pet owner is capable
of training this very,
when you think about it,
complicated behavior.
There's a lot of criteria there.
And they've done
it just through--
you can put him down--
through pure repetition.
So how are we going to
train heel position?
Exactly the same way.
And this is the base of it is
to just start with reinforcing
in that position.
You saw Bijoux.
She wants to pop out this way.
She doesn't want to
be in this position
because, to her, this is the
magic place where she always
gets fed, right?
So I'm going to show you how
you start because we have not
done this at all.
And this right here is Sparky.
He's a happy guy.
He's a very happy guy.
What are you doing?
OK, come on, Sparks.
Sparky, come.
Sparky, come.
Yay, hi!
You ready to work?
OK, so we'll see if he makes
a liar out of me or not.
First, he's very excited.
He hasn't even done
attention as a behavior.
So this is going to be an
interesting experiment.
So all right, come here, buddy.
So why don't you sit down?
Now, that is awfully good.
So we will feed you for that.
We're very happy
about that sitting.
But watch what happens when I
try and go in heel-- oh, yes,
making--
oh, you caught me.
I thought you weren't
going to move.
But you see how he came around.
That's exactly what
I'm talking about.
Come here, buddy.
So what I do here
is some shameless
luring to get started.
I'm going to feed
him right here.
Just get into position,
and then just take my hand
away, and just quick.
I'm still leaning over.
I can't show him the
whole picture yet.
Just take them away, and click.
And now I'm going to stand
up a little higher and click.
See how I'm just--
I'm just easing into
this heel position thing?
And I'm going to make sure
that, when I finally get to it,
see how he's wanting
to come in front of me?
He doesn't understand.
Very nicely done.
Very nicely done.
Hi, buddy.
Now I'm-- see, I'm able to get
to show him the entire picture.
Good job, buddy.
You're a smarty!
This guy-- I swear I didn't
do this with him before.
Wow, you are something!
Look at you!
Look at you.
Come on, buddy.
OK, come on.
Let's play a little bit.
Gina, would you bring me
a little toy or something
from in there?
He just did so well.
That's good.
That one's good.
He just did so well, and he
needs a little play break.
He needs a little play break.
He does.
Would you like to play with
this-- this toy is not-- yeah,
that's really good.
That's really good.
We have to have
some play breaks.
In reality, I mean, you know,
because we're doing these--
these sessions, and I
want to show you things,
I tend to just run through the
puppies and take them away.
In reality, I do
play with them a lot
in between because, again, no
matter what you're going to do,
whether it's show or
performance, or even just
as a pet, having a play
drive, having a play
relationship with your
puppy is very important.
This is really part of it.
Yeah, this is really part of it.
But that's a
different broadcast.
That would be a
different broadcast.
You did so well with
that attention stuff
in heel position-- wow,
wow, wow, wow, wow.
Did she pee-pee?
I don't know because
I put her outside.
Oh, OK, go get get her.
Here, take this one.
I'll play with this one
while you go get her.
Go get her, and then we'll swap.
We'll swap then.
We will swap.
At that point, we will swap.
See, this is very important.
I know it looks like
I'm just playing--
you know, not doing anything,
but this is all really
part of the game here.
This is really part of the game.
Do you want to work some more?
Come on.
Come on.
Come here.
Come on, puppy, puppy.
Come here.
So again, I'm not going
to worry about putting him
into heel position.
I'm just going to step in.
Attaboy, and I'm going to
run through steps again.
I wouldn't expect that I could
just go into heel position
and have him be able
to do it right away.
Nicely done, buddy.
Wow, you are really
good at this.
Look at that little
performance dog.
I see your little head
bone looking at me.
You know, Gina, this
one's doing so good.
Let's do Bijoux
again, and then I
think we're going to bring
him back out because he's
a natural.
He's a natural.
Look at him.
Look at how smart he is!
There's a little piece that
you missed on the floor here.
All right, then.
All right, then.
Let's swap out.
Bijoux was busy
using her potty box.
Oh, in the--
In the-- in the pen.
Oh, she went in the pen?
She did.
She went in the potty box.
OK, it's raining
outside, so it's not
everyone's favorite time
to go outside and pee.
They kind of prefer
being in the house.
They're like, you know what?
We think we're not going
to use the outhouse.
Hi, how are you?
Do you want to try it again?
Sit.
OK, so I'm going to
illustrate one more point,
which is that I know that a
lot of show people are probably
like, oh, no, I
wouldn't-- you know,
I wouldn't want to teach my
puppy to sit in heel position.
That will mess up
their show career.
And again, sit versus stand--
not even-- not even an issue.
And the-- teaching a dog to
look in your face versus looking
at your hand-- not an issue.
Puppy, puppy, come.
So what I will do sometimes,
in the same session,
once they have all
three concepts,
I will skip through
the three concepts--
the show stack, the
sitting in heel position,
and the attention as a behavior.
But they have to have all three
pretty solid before you do it.
So here, I'm going to take
my hand away and just--
come here.
Come on.
So yes.
So I'm going to do this a
couple times-- just attention
as a behavior.
OK, that was very good.
Here you go.
Then I'm going to
remind her, and we also
know this one because
we've got this on this cue.
That's a girl.
Come here.
Good girl.
So we can switch back
and forth between those,
and I'm going to put
her into heel position.
Come here.
Sit.
Sit.
That's very good.
I know, it's very difficult.
But it's very good.
Come here.
I know you want to pop
out of that heel position.
Yes, I know you do.
Come here.
You're not as clever as
your brother, are you?
But you don't speak
English, so fortunately, you
don't know I said that.
That's nicely done.
That's very nicely done.
Wow, all right, Gina, you
can come on-- come in.
Stop right there because
that right there is crazy
distracting.
Oh, wow, such a good decision!
Such a good decision, wow.
Go ahead, take a step.
Yay!
Yay, good decision.
Taking another step.
Wow, good decision, good
decision, good decision.
OK, so I'm going to switch
her back out in front,
and we're going to
do the same thing.
Because again, for
your stand for exams,
you want to be able to do that.
Diddy, diddy, diddy, dee!
And then that's a really
long turn for her too.
Come here.
Come here.
Come here, girlfriend.
Come here.
OK.
OK.
Mark, are we still
good in position?
Mhm.
Do it, Gina.
Wow, I know!
That was pretty good.
Let her-- OK, do it.
No, that was not
you that she was--
she's actually--
she's actually--
come here.
Come here.
I know.
I know I have my
hand down there.
That's very confusing.
That's very confusing for you.
Good girl.
She's actually
not looking at me.
She's actually not
even looking at me.
Yeah, because she's not--
she's just a little bit
slower than the other ones,
but that-- we love
her just as much.
Now.
Good girl.
That was very, very good.
That was good ignoring
and looking at me.
You did very, very well.
Maybe she can have the
toy for a little bit.
I think we're going to come--
we're going to bring Sparky out
again.
He was-- he was pretty hot.
He was pretty hot.
Do you want to do the play play?
Do you want to do the play play?
Oh, no, she wants to cuddle.
She wants to cuddle.
She's a cuddly puppy.
These are cuddles.
These are cuddles.
Just a cuddly puppy.
Come on, cuddly puppy.
Are there questions, honey?
Well, that's what-- I'm
going to fix it real quick,
so just keep running--
Oh, I guess there must be
a problem with the chat.
Yeah, I'll save it.
That's a good girl!
Yes, yes, yes.
Yay, the goochie, yay, the
goochie, yay, the goochie!
Give me this.
Give me this.
Give me this.
Give me this.
Yeah, give me this.
Give me this.
Good girl.
Oh, was he sleeping?
I don't know.
I hear him.
He's-- he sounds sleepy.
Yeah, come on, buddy.
Come on, let's play.
You can take her away.
Yeah, hi.
Hi, Bij.
This guy's-- this is a
smart guy right here.
Come here.
OK.
Let's do it.
Let's do it, buddy.
Let's do it.
Are you ready?
I think you are.
I think you are.
So come here.
Let's just review the
attention as a behavior
in the front with you
while Gina is doing that.
OK, you haven't even seen
the food down this low,
so this is going to
be difficult for you.
OK, come here.
Good boy.
It's interesting because
last week, mentally,
they could not figure out
where the food went when
I put my hand behind my back.
And now they're nine
weeks now, and they
have that sort of
existential ability
to understand that, even
though they can't see the food,
it's still behind me.
I mean, this is a great--
that's a great example of,
developmentally, how working
with puppies from week to week
is completely different.
Again, like an
eight-week-old puppy,
if you put your hand
behind their-- your back,
they're like, no, the food--
it doesn't exist anymore.
But these puppies understand
it's hidden back there.
That's very good.
That's very good.
Let's put him-- let's do his
heel position again, Gina,
because he was doing
really well with that.
Can I see the toy?
Yeah.
Come here, buddy.
Come on, cutie.
Now you know that's
where the toy went.
Come on.
Come on, cutie.
I know.
He knows where
everything is now.
Sit down.
Sit.
Good.
Good.
Nicely done, buddy.
All right, Gina, come in.
Wow, you are just
a-- stay right there.
Come in.
Nicely done, cute boy!
Nicely done.
Do it again.
You are just a genius.
You're just a genius.
So what I want you to do
now is start to, from there,
lean over like you're going
to pat him on the head.
Stop.
Stop, yeah, that was more
than you needed, right?
Mhm.
OK, he might break now
because that was a lot.
We're still in the running for--
he hears daddy clicking.
Yes, good boy!
That was very, very, very good.
That was very good.
I'll give a little
extra piece for that.
OK, so hold on.
Less-- less-- go ahead, Gina.
Stop, stop.
Yes, good boy!
All right, well done.
He was thinking.
OK, so again-- good boy.
OK, come on, buddy.
The-- your assistant
is going to be
as important to these games
as-- practically as what you do.
In this case, Gina, as soon--
you have to actually be
watching the end of his nose,
and as soon as it's
moving away from
me stop whatever it is
because those were rather
big doses which we
gambled on, and it worked.
But it was probably 50/50.
That was a little bit
more than we needed.
Here, sit down, buddy.
Here, buddy, hold on.
Let me get him--
come here.
Come here.
Sit down.
That's very well done.
You sit right there.
All right, so let's wait till
he looks at me again and clicks.
Pup, pup, puppy,
puppy, pup, good boy.
All right, and by the way, if
a puppy breaks and walks away,
you notice that everything--
nothing happened.
We just set him up again.
He's a-- he's a tiny baby puppy.
He may or may not be able
to pay much more attention
than he already has.
Walk in.
That's it.
That's it.
Good, good, good,
good, good puppy.
Do it again.
That was perfect, Gina.
I think you can take
one more step in.
OK, now, let's work
that-- that footstep, OK?
So do it one more time.
Now, I'm going-- we're going
to do it one more time.
I want to do this look and
look back one more time.
See, he already raised
his own criteria.
Now I want to try leaning over
like you're going to pet him
a little bit.
Perfect.
See that?
That amount that she just did
there was absolutely perfect.
That's-- that's the amount of
distraction you want to see.
Do it again.
Good boy.
He's already good.
He's-- he's hip to the game now.
Once they get hip to the game--
good boy.
I don't-- try it one more time.
Oh, yeah, he may just about be--
OK, wait.
I'm going to break him.
OK, come on, puppy.
Come on, buddy,
because that just
was a long time for
him to concentrate.
I think that was well done for
him-- very well done for him.
Again, with these
little puppies,
you're not looking to create a
finished behavior of attention.
You're looking to create a
concept, and this has been,
I think, an example
of just really, really
how well each puppy
has done with this.
Do we have any questions, Mark,
that we-- all right, Gina,
do you want to take
some questions now?
Give these puppies a break.
We're going to take
some questions now.
You, by the way,
were very, very good.
Now I'll play with the toy
with you while we're doing it.
Come here.
Let's play with the toy.
So I had to tape--
I had to paste them in, so--
Oh, OK.
So--
Your mic is off.
Go ahead.
OK, so Whitney
asked, when you gave
her the treat the
last time-- so this
is an aged question--
she popped out,
and you gave her the treat.
Was it OK then because
then, the next time,
she popped out again?
Is that why-- because you
reinforced the first time,
or do they do that
all naturally?
Do they all just
do it naturally?
You know, but I have the
answer for that because--
Whitney asked-- when she popped
out and I treated her anyway.
It was a while ago, so I
don't exactly remember,
but I think I do know the--
I think I remember.
And the answer is
that probably what
I'm looking for this
time is still attention.
I'm still trying to just get
that eye contact attention.
So if she didn't break
eye contact with me,
even if she moved her position,
I would still click her.
It's when she actually
looks away from me
that I would not click her.
Now, that's not to
say, I mean, you
know, you could have a-- oh, ow.
That's attached to me.
You could have a
different session
where you were shaping
her not to move position.
That's a different
thing entirely.
OK, well, now experiencing
a little bit of technical.
OK, someone has to retrain
a five-year-old dog
and believes this will work too.
Oh, absolutely.
Is he right?
Yes, absolutely.
This is exactly how you--
again, in my book
"When Pigs Fly,"
I go through the seven
pillars of attention,
and this is exactly
how you start it.
With these puppies, because--
I have a question.
What's that?
Keep talking.
With these puppies,
because they're so little,
we're just doing it
only in the living room.
But with an older dog, yes.
And we give further
instructions in "When Pigs Fly"
as far as how to-- how to
move this behavior forward
to different venues.
Puppy, puppy, come.
I just don't trust
him with those wires.
Come here, buddy.
OK, we have a
couple of questions.
For conformation dogs
that are low riders--
the Cardigan Welsh Corgis--
OK.
Would you also train
for looking lower so
that they don't ruin their
profile while the judge is
looking at them?
And if so, do you
introduce a cue?
You said not to cue last week.
OK, so that's a great question
because it-- there's a--
that's why I showed you how I--
I differentiate with the
puppies between heel position,
attention and front,
and show stacking.
I have a show stacking cue.
So I don't have a short--
a low rider breed,
and so-- hi, buddy.
Do you want to come
here and show this?
Come here.
So let me just get my clicker.
So I do have a show stack, OK?
That is mine.
Now, if you were to
have a short breed,
and you either want to hold your
hand low or a train something
differently, absolutely, but
it's a different behavior.
The attention as a behavior
really comes down to,
as a default, if nothing
else is going on,
they are going to be
looking at your face.
But if you've cued them to
a stack or train them to a--
a stack behavior, absolutely,
but it's a discrete behavior.
It looks so similar
to us because the dog
is standing there.
But it's miles apart to the dog.
This is not even close to
this in the dog's mind.
He's going to look down.
I don't know what
exactly what he's--
those two different behaviors--
completely different behaviors.
And this behavior,
with looking at me--
the reason why we
add the distractions
is because it teaches them
that the distractions are
cues for attention.
So crazy stuff happens,
they'll look at you.
Does that make sense?
The other thing I want
to point out, though--
and this is important
distinction--
if I do have a dog destined
for the breed ring,
I normally don't
do this game, where
I show them the
open hand of food,
and they have to look
away and ignore it.
That's a great game for pets.
I do want my show dogs
to follow a piece of bait
if I want to place
their head differently.
So I actually-- if I do it,
I only do it once or twice
just as a game.
But I don't really teach
them to completely ignore
open food in my hand because
I do want them to follow--
follow the bait.
That that's the only
distinction that I really
make with a show dog.
Yes.
OK, we're still--
OK, here we go.
Puppy, puppy.
Hold on, let's get out of her.
OK, do you need to reward in
heel position as often or more
often than when
they are in front?
Should you actually start with
all the exercises this way
and do the work from the
front position later?
Well, I mean, if you
had bought yourself
or are breeding a litter
that you know they're all
going to be obedience
dogs, and that's
what you're doing with them, I'd
start right in heel position.
I would.
But don't forget, even
for an obedience dog,
you're going to have
a stand for exam,
and that is actually
how I started
learning how to do this was in
teaching a dog stand for exam.
And the trainer that I
was working with did this,
and it just was like
an epiphany for me
that, wow, I mean, we
can really just train
these dogs as the
judge is coming in
to touch them to just
look at us, to not,
never mind not move
their feet, that that
becomes a cue for them to look
at us because they get paid.
So in answer to your question,
it's probably a good idea
to start it in heel
position if you
have an obedience dog
because we don't naturally
feed in heel position a lot.
But you should
really always do both
because you need both, right?
Right?
Oh, coochie, coochie, coochie.
Yes.
There's another question
that they really
couldn't see my hand moving.
Could we do that behavior again,
and could you pull the camera--
oops.
Can you pull the camera
back to broader view?
Do they mean your hand, Gina?
Yes, they meant my hands.
Oh, when you were leaning over?
Who asked that question?
No, the previous one
that just erased.
Oh, OK.
OK, so I guess
they meant the one
where he was in heel position,
and you were leaning over?
Yeah, yes.
OK, so we can-- let's see
if we had any dog left.
I don't know how much-- oh,
you know, bring out Imogen.
My hand was very subtle then.
Yeah.
Let's bring out Imogen
because he's had a lot.
Come here, buddy.
How was she--
She's a squiggler right now.
Who's this?
Was she awake?
Yes.
I think--
Who's this?
This is Imogen again.
Yes, she gets another turn.
You ready to do the heel stuff?
I can't remember.
I don't think we did
the heel stuff with you.
No, I don't think we did.
I don't-- well, she's
like I'm sitting now.
I'm ready.
You ready, tiny baby puppy?
You tiny baby puppy,
are you ready?
I know.
Sometimes you have to play
with them a little first,
and then they bite your
shirt, which is awesome.
Yeah, come here.
Im, come on, baby.
I know.
There was a piece of
cheese on the ground there.
I know.
Come here.
It's-- it's awfully exciting.
No wonder she was squiggling.
Puppy, puppy, come here.
Come on.
Come here.
No, here it is.
They don't know how to follow
food, contrary to what the--
the animal cognition
people will tell you.
They have no idea.
That's awfully good.
So here, now I'm going
to plug you in here.
I don't care if
she's sloppy sitting.
That's really good.
Wow, that's really good.
You are so, so good.
Nicely done.
Nicely done.
Gina start in a little closer.
Start in right next to her
because they want to see
the hand coming down, so we're
going to-- we're going to use
this--
somebody is drinking water,
and that's very distracting.
She hears it.
But this is a good example
of the environment raising
the criteria on you.
So what did you say, babe?
No, it's OK.
It's all right.
First of all, I'm not
really in heel position.
Let me now get back
into heel position.
There's a lot of stuff going
on in this house right now,
and she's very tempted to move.
So if she will look back
at me, first of all,
it would be a miracle.
Second of all-- yes, good girl!
Even though, again, I was
maybe at a higher level as far
as not-- just give
her a chance--
as far as not just clicking
her for looking at me.
There are so many things
happening around here
that-- somebody was making
noise in the other room.
Daddy was walking around
slamming-- not slamming doors,
but clicking open
and closed doors.
There's a lot of things
to pay attention to,
but you can see that
she's back on track.
See, she's not being
distracted by you.
She's being-- she's much
more environmentally tuned in
than she is tuned in to you.
So I'm not sure if--
good girl.
And it's interesting to see,
with the different puppies--
go ahead.
Nicely done.
I love her little noises.
Yeah, I know.
She's great.
Do it again.
Nicely done, girly girl.
Try it again.
That's good.
That's good.
I- I'm going to go
to ignore on that.
No, stay there, babe.
Stay there.
Do the same one again.
Good girly.
Very well done.
OK.
OK, that was really good.
So it's interesting to watch
the three puppies and see how--
how environmentally
sensitive this-- and I
don't mean sensitive
in a bad way.
Thank you.
Is there a clean toy
that they can play with?
This one's kind of been around.
Yeah, I was looking
for a squeaky.
It's much loved, but
it's a little dirty.
There's nothing like
a dirty pink sheep.
Come here.
I'm going to get it.
So you know, she was
much more in tune
to the sounds and the clicks
and the things going on,
whereas I would say Sparky
was much more actually looking
at the people, looking at Gina.
It's very interesting.
It's very interesting.
Oh, this is a clean one.
Look at this one.
Look at this one.
This is a sunny because
she's a sunny girl,
because she's a sunny girl,
because she's a happy girl.
There we go.
So what that would tell
me, with these two puppies,
is this puppy--
I would, going forward, work
more on sounds as distractions,
more on just people
closing things--
distant doors or
crumpling paper--
things like that, that may
be sound and environment
are going to be more
distracting for this puppy,
whereas the other--
come here.
Sparky is going to
probably be more distracted
by people, which would be
more typical for other dogs.
How much more time do we have?
Ten minutes.
We have right now
two more questions.
And one may have been
answered the other week,
but you use a clicker
in conformation ring,
or graduate past the
clicker eventually?
That's great question, and
you cannot use the clicker
in the conformation ring.
And the clicker is used
to train the behavior.
Once I have the behavior,
I use a verbal marker.
I no longer use the clicker.
I could actually train
this-- give me this.
Give me this.
I could actually train this
without a clicker at all,
just using a verbal marker.
And you should have a
verbal marker just precisely
for that reason.
But again, the
shaping of a behavior
is a very specific
scientific process
that, if you read my
book "When Pigs Fly,"
I go into all the science behind
it, involving reaching a level,
getting a CER, and then
having an extinction burst,
working an extinction burst,
going to the next level.
You don't do that all the time.
I mean, that's just
done in the beginning
to teach the behavior.
Then the whole-- there's
a whole other field
of thinning the ratio and
bringing it on the road
and proofing it
and all that stuff.
And you don't really need
the clicker for that.
And do your puppies
know their names yet?
Nope.
No, because, you
know, we're not--
until they're all placed, and
we've decided who we're keeping
and everything, it's not--
not, you know-- ow.
No, that is not-- that
is not part of the game.
That tastes all the better.
No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, we don't do that.
We don't do that.
That's not happening.
That's why we spend
$5 on our shirts.
That's why we get them
on sale for five bucks
because they can tend to get
holes in them spontaneously.
They spring leaks.
Yeah, no, we don't.
If we had one puppy,
and we knew that, if--
like our pet people, absolutely.
And then once we--
once we-- no, I
think we're good.
OK, you have about six
minutes left and no questions
at the present time.
Well, let's just bring
out the three puppies
and let them play out here
so people can see them.
I think that's a good idea.
What's that?
You have a novice dog in there.
You can show her.
You already did that?
I think I already did that.
Do you think there's something
else that we should show?
I think we kind of showed
a pretty good progression.
I think that's very good.
I think that's very good.
The question thing is
kind of screwed up.
Yeah.
So people have to click
on what they've asked.
Oh, dear.
That happens sometimes.
Here, have this.
What about the next-- what's
coming up next, and what's--
What's coming up next
is we're going to--
Can you train an older
dog to do these things?
Yes, absolutely.
This is absolutely how
you train an older dog
to do these things.
Absolutely.
It's the same-- it's
the same exact process.
It's a little bit more
rapid with an older dog
because their brains are
a little more developed.
Who is here?
Do we have all three
of our workers?
No, I can only
handle one at a time.
Wow, here we go.
Here's one right here.
Let's-- come on, guys.
Who wants to-- see, we can
also play attention in groups.
Come here.
Puppy, puppy,
puppy, puppy, come.
Puppy, come.
What are you doing?
Oh, where is he?
Right here in the kitchen.
Puppy, come.
Puppy, yay, good puppies.
Good puppies.
So who wants to look at me?
Come here.
Come here.
Let's do some group sessions.
Who wants to look at me?
Who wants to look at me?
So this is where I'm not going
to use a clicker because I have
to just get the one that's
looking at me, look at them,
and tell them how good they are.
Come here.
Come here.
Who wants to look me?
Who wants to look at me?
Yes, good girly.
That's very good.
Yes, good girly.
Where is she, Bijoux?
Here she comes.
Mimimi, hi!
Hi.
Hi, Brinderella.
Hey, are you here too?
What would you like?
Would you like a cookie?
Here, pups.
No.
Come here.
Who's back here
getting into trouble?
Would you like a cookie?
Who did that?
It's a-- it's a--
Puppy, puppy, puppies,
come here, puppy, puppies.
Silly-- you're silly.
Where are you going?
Does she have her
bally back there?
No, it's right
there-- the bally.
Do you send a scent, like a
blanket, home with new owners
to help transition?
It doesn't seem
to help if you do.
Somebody said--
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
What are they--
what are they doing?
The wire.
Oh, just unplug the wire.
Here, we'll just unplug that.
Unfortunately, the
plug is over there.
Come here.
Oh, you guys are crazy.
Here you go.
You are crazy.
Woof, woof.
Come here, puppy, puppies.
Come here.
You teach attention in
front of a seated position.
With an--
Why not teach the heel
position while you're
kneeling or sitting?
There hasn't been any more
questions going up online.
Gina, can you-- can
you get that question?
Come here.
Give me this.
Give me this.
I didn't hear-- I didn't even
really hear what he said.
Come here.
Give me this toy.
Give me this-- let me just--
oh, you want the cookies?
This one right here?
That one down there.
You teach attention in
front as a seated position.
Why not teach in heel
position while you're
kneeling or sitting?
Yeah, that's a great question.
The reason being that,
with the heel position,
it's actually a cue.
I mean, it is a true cue
that that whole picture
of me being standing there and
having my arm in that position
and standing up
and being parallel
to the dog and the dog's
actual position in relationship
to my legs--
that is the cue.
The truth of the matter
is, on a younger puppy--
a little puppy-- you
know, you absolutely
might start sitting down.
These puppies are
nine weeks old.
They're bull terrier puppies.
They're-- they're ready for
me to stand up like that.
But you know, if you
were going to start
at very, very young age--
four or five weeks--
you might kneel down.
I start the attention
as a behavior kneeling
in front of them for
the very first iteration
because, again, I want
to make their world small
when I'm first teaching them
the attention as a behavior.
But once they have the idea
that looking at me is--
is something that they can get
paid for, it's not a problem.
It's not a problem.
Sometimes also--
again, I mean, I
know it's a long, long
answer to that question.
But there really are
a lot of variables.
She's going through
those wires, Gina.
On a younger puppy,
they maybe can't
see that well or that high.
Again, nine-week-old puppies--
you probably could even
start attention as a behavior
standing up because they-- they
can see your face.
They can definitely
focus on your face,
and they can focus
on whether you're
in heel position or standing.
I started sitting down
because we started this
with them much younger.
Wendy asks if you've
sent a scent bundling
at all with the new owners?
I mean, I don't.
Reread the question.
Oh, somebody asked if I sent--
send a scent, like a blanket,
home with the new owners.
I mean, I really--
I really don't.
I've never had a problem.
But again, I mean, I'm
dealing with a breed
that has about zero
problem ever transitioning.
You guys, please
don't chew the wires.
Also, someone asked,
what age do you see--
what age do you say you start
to recommend the puppies
with attention behaviors?
That entirely-- you
know, the answers--
The question.
OK, oh, somebody
says, at what age
do I recommend starting
attention as a behavior?
The answer to that question
depends entirely on the puppy.
You need-- the puppy needs
to want food or something.
I mean, it could be
affection, but the-- the puppy
has to have a motivation
that you can control.
And some puppies just really
don't at a very young age.
I mean, these puppies-- we
can do it at five weeks,
four weeks even sometimes.
But that would-- you-- it--
the puppy is really going to
control when you can start it.
At the point, I
would say, typically,
six weeks would be a
good time to start this.
I would say, typically, that
would be a pretty good time
to start attention
as a behavior,
but again, provided the puppy
has a motivation that you
can control and give them
in exchange for attention.
I hear people--
We're missing somebody.
Oh, we'll find him now.
Thanks for-- thanks
for joining us.
Bye-bye.
Goodbye!
Goodbye.