Radio interview with Roberto Castelli
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the immigrants - Sorry, on Porta a Porta last night, you said: "They have to be rejected"
but what can you do ? Vi can´t shoot at them. At least not yet," you said.
For the moment, we can´t
Thanks for the question.... - I beg you, you said it - ...for I can clarify
In these programmes they talk so fast, afterwards ideas sticks in our minds
It is said that your friend Zappatero have shot at them. This means.....
Do you know Zappatero ? - No! - ....you imagine real drama
Your friend Sarkozy is bombing....- But he is to the right. - Not that much, I beg you
He is bombing potential immigrants in Libya, who knows how many civillians he has killed.
This is happening already
And it is evident if we look ahead and think historically at the same time
as you said, in the near future, in the next decade
there is a danger this invasion could be millions
or tens of millions
And if that happens, what do we do ? I will remind you
that international disagrements unfortunately
as we have seen in Iraq, in Afghnaistan and in Libya,
are often solved with weapons
I hope this moment will never occur
My "at least not now" meant this, that is
this problem could get so huge
that we had to consider taking to arms
I believe we are in a situation similar
to the Roman Empire
The Roman Empire did not collapse because
barbarians came to conquer Rome
Already 200 b.c. the barbarians first infiltrated
and it continued a couple of centenniums more
they did not come by boat
they crossed the Rhine in boats, the Danube too
So, the tunesians are barbarians, according to you ?
They are foreigners, as they were in Roman times.
"A barbarian" is merely someone with a foreign language
in this perspective everyone is a barbarian, placed in front of one another
And, I you excuse me, for you in Lega Nord the genoveese are barbarians too
Nej, we are barbarians. We for Lega Nord are definitely barbarians
in the eyes of you Romans
But listen....- No, he is a barbarian - No, no
A barbarian is someone coming from another
society, another social context
and therefore he is of another culture, history and so on
There is no exception...- Sorry, mr. Castelli, to return back to what....
Let me finish my statement. - No, no - He is from Milan, you know
No, no, it is, I have,..... - As I said.....
I do not want this to happen
My "not now, anyway" meant "I do not wish" - Ah, "I do not wish"
But there is a limit ...... - Excatly. - Where is this limit, according to you ?
According to me, we have already reached this limit, because
After 20.000, we shoot ? - Oh you mean shooting? Yes !
I mean: Where is the limit ? 100.000. A million ?
The limit is where the violence begins
Lets take us, for ex.
these gentlemen, who must be repatriated
who started burning matresses
and started throwing stones and who knows what......
you answer with shields and batons
as you do to any italian citizen
who does not obey police orders
If it comes to weapons and they start shooting
what should we doo? Shoot ? - I dont know
What did we do to the Red Brigades ?
Is it true, that 3200 more tunesians are coming to Lampedusa, who are
I really don´t hope - But where will they go ?
not to southern Italy ? But listen, we should....
I think the big question of distribution
considering foreigners, legal and illegal
who are already in a certain place (in Italy)
There is no doubt, all statistics tells
that those who pt. has the most foreigners
legal and illegal, is Milan
and the surropunding, Lombardia
So not to Lombardia, they wont go there ...- No, lets distribute the burden
and my thoughts are.....
You who are politically correct
say: "We must show hospitality"
they´ll have to find hospitality somewhere else
give it to them at your place. How many are you willing to... - I have already
You have 4 at your place ? -Ja - Well, take a fifth.
But why should I take..... - You will be happier
Do you have any, mr. Castelli ? Eh,
legal. - Would you take more ? - No, but the little we do,
my wife, as you see, who travels to Iraq tomorrow
as she is head of, coorporating with
a volontary organisation in the North that helps people
who has been in Iraq, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan
Lets try and help them in their own country. This
Yes, but if they are not going to Lombardia, where are they going ? Veneto ?
They have to be spread, that is my opinion.
Have you calculated ? Where will they go ? Campania ? Lazio ?
You estimate what burden each region has for the time being
You dont think one should base it on the wealth of the region ?
We in Lombardia bears the heaviest burden, because
You are rich. We are rich, we work, there is this little problem
Its not like that. Dont they work in Campania ?
If they work less, they are poorer than we are. - In Puglia they work
I see, but they work less. It´s not that we are rich because we have oil.....
or because everything we touch turns to gold, or becuase manna comes down from heaven
The richest should be the kindest. - Yes, but we are kind.
But, there is a saying from Lombardia that says..
«A ess' tropp bun se deventa cujun». Cujun. Cujun.
Not exactly.. But listen, lets talk,,,,, - I do not translate, because...- No, no
"The one who are too kind, becomes minced meat"
No, its not neccesary to translate...- He said he would not, but I did it.