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Larry King Interview 1974 (Full Version) 2/2

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----to socio-cyberneering, through information, and they question things about human behavior, the new schools... I'd be happy to describe all things. We don't have enough time, now, to go into that. But it doesn't take very long for Americans to change. Americans have been conditioned in their kind of society to get a different kind of car next year, to buy a new television set or a tape-recorder. We are radical as hell. But our political and social institutions have -not- changed. And this is where we are stagnating, because we always equate any new idea with communism or regimentation. Because we've been brought up to fear that which is new. And I think that Christ was a radical. He brought new ideas. But it took time, thousands of years, for people to really appreciate ideas. LK: They still haven't bought them. JF: Exactly. LK: What's this giant foot? JF: What looks like a giant foot is really a wind tunnel in a vertical position. We feel, by building six of these in the Los Angeles area and the New York area, and accelerating air down through this tunnel, by means of turbines and electrostatic filters and a low temperature base, we can clean the air of the solids, particulate matter, gases, and all suspended particles, within a period of one year, clean the air in the Los Angeles and New York area, And then remove these structures, and build garden cities again. Let's not wait for nature to do it. We loused it up. We're going to have to clean it up. Like the war program. LK: You know, viewers... just so you know, that -- a lot of this is wondrous to you, and it is to me, of course -- but... Dr. Fresco is a respected social engineer, industrial designer, designer and inventor -- PhD in Human Factors Engineering -- and has worked on many things, from anti-icing systems to prefabricated aluminum houses; designed systems for noiseless and pollution-free aircraft; wrote the book "Looking Forward". He has lectured at the Department of Sociology in Princeton, on sociology of the future; guest at the College Editors Environmental Conference in Washington; lectured at Queens College, NY, University of South Florida, University of California; designed various items, ranging from drafting instruments to X-ray units. And, so, you know, don't just dismiss this. If he says it's possible, it's possible. What's this? JF: Well, in times to come, most of you are probably familiar with the giant units that are used to move the rocket's onto their launching platform. Tremendous tractor systems. In the distant future perhaps the next 15 or 20 years, huge tractors may be built, with a nuclear reactor built in, that can fuse the Earth into canals, and transportation ways. We can shape the Earth by nuclear energy. Without mixing concrete, without having trucks and human beings levelling the concrete. We can do this today, at 20 miles/hour, if we wanted to, shape the Earth into highways, waterways, flood control systems, in a totally different reorganized technology. LK: Alright, now, technicians working now in this present set up in the private industry concept - why haven't we seen more things like this? If they are feasible? If for, just for example, the Japanese, or everybody's working on a high speed train and you can't tell me that the Japanese wouldn't like to have the sea-board railroad, wouldn't like to have train that could get you to New York in 20 minutes. Even for a profit. Why don't they? JF: As far as I know, at present, there is really no integrated transportation system. Integrating a transportation system you have to design - it's just like designing a heart of a human being, if God did it this way, and then you decide to put some lungs nearby, and then you built another structure to hold our arms, all of these are after-thoughts. What we have to do is design a city as a living system. As an organism. As a university. That all of the cities of the future will be university cities that grow, that continue to exchange ideas. The city will have a built in transportation system, so there are no accidents and no un-thoughtout areas of technology. Medicine, botany, agriculture, the total system. One planning system. Our cities have been designed a long time ago. The area like Miami, downtown Miami, may put in a couple of pots and a couple of trees, and this kind of simulating an intelligent approach to an environment which costs thousands of dollars And these little intrusions on Flaglar Street only cause the buses and the fire engines and the emergency vehicles to become further tied up. They are no solutions. They are clumsy academic approaches by people immersed in this kind of society, coming up with their cop-out solutions that have no relationship to the problems. You cannot be a conventional architect, a conventional engineer, work for the telephone company, or any other of the old establishment and come up with an idea that is a radical innovation. The space program takes new thinking. To save our country to save our land, to save our environment, to save our youth, our stupidity, our conflict, we've got to reorganize our way of thinking and reconsider our social aims. The brotherhood of man. We do that or we perish. LK: What do you think Frank Lloyd Wright would have thought of this? JF: I think that Frank Lloyd Wright was establishment. I think that his architecture was radical. But I think it was radical in a limited way. And we've got to get away from this limited "I did this" and "I did that" - and the self-centredness that dominates our society today. It must be a privilege to serve not that we want rewards or medals or honour for what we do, because it is just an honour to do it. If you cannot work for that, then you missed the boat. You don't understand the teaching of the wisest men that ever lived. -- LK: In your society there are no mayors-- JF: There are no mayors, there are no politicians, and you don't have to fill out any forms to go to the arts centre, or the music centre. And you go to a university whether you can afford it, or not. -- LK: If you want a suit of clothes, how do you get it? -- JF: Well, most suits of clothing are designed by anatomists and physiologists to be comfortable. Most of your shoes will breathe as you walk. They'll be very different from the shoes that dominate your society today. Most of your clothing will be organically designed. And that is, you move your arms, it'll aerate and breathe. And most of your clothing will be washed by ultra-sonics. No detergents. no washing machines, no centrifugal separaters. We can knock all of the water off clothing today, by vibration. We can knock fluids off clothing. In other words, if you could move a piece of fabric from position A to position B rapidly enough the fluid will remain behind. Ultrasonically vibrating the fabric can remove the fluids. And you need not contaminate your waters. You don't have to use any of the systems today. Let me briefly say this: You have a bumper in front of your car and behind your car, but in your society your car is hit on the side also. You have safety belts, and harnesses in your car, but that assumes that you're going to be hit by the rear or in front. If you're hit on the side you go right through the side of the windshield. What good are these approaches? They are designed by men that are cerebral insufficient. You've got to design a society with a bumper all around the car, phase out human drivers put electronic guidance systems in cars or eliminate the automobile and design a holistic transportation system. We must put our mind to this as we do to put a man on the moon. We must put out mind to the social problem. We wish to get away from politics, we wish to get away from the old world method of solving problems. If you can barely understand what it is I'm trying to say in this short period of time please investigate socio-cyberneering. LK: Are you saying that General Motors could build a safe car today? Totally safe car, with the knowledge at hand? -- JF: Yes, if they're given that assignment. They're not given that assignment. -- LK: No, because they're working on their own initiative to make more money. -- JF: They're only interested in... Look if General Motors had to service their own cars, I can tell you for certain that they would have two levers that you turn down and pull out the engine, shove it in a service unit. And, you know, to change a $3 spring in a car, or a $2 part, you gotta do a $45 job on a small car, just to pull the engine out. But if they had to service the car I can assure you that whole engine would slide out. You know they put a race-car wheel on with one turn? That's the way your wheels would go on. You'd have bumpers all around. You'd have no chromium, no ornament. The chromium would be in the engine where you have chrome-steel - tougher engine. In other words, the automobile companies have total, actually they have contempt, let me say this again: all manufacturers have contempt for you. To sell you the toothpaste - the products that they sell you are deliberately, deliberately designed to wear out, break down, so you have to continually service those things. You notice that your telephone is pretty reliable? Well, we here in America can think. We can design things that don't wear out. And don't break down. And don't require maintenance at all. LK: Yeah the instrument, the phone, that stays forever. -- JF: You bet. If the automobile companies had to maintain their cars it would be... --- LK: That means the phone company has to maintain the phone. That's why it's good. JF: That's why your units hold up. LK: I never thought of that. -- JF: Most people don't. -- LK: (inaudible) well, you know, operators can be bad, they can be bad, but the phone itself. -- JF: It's the same for your TV set's by the way. LK: You mean if Varsey, if everybody had to maintain their own... JF: You bet. They'd all be automatic systems which you pull out, shove in a replacement unit. If your engine unit breaks down they pull out the engine, shove in a courtesy engine, and you take off. Why hold up the whole car when you need a battery job? If you did that in the Army Air Force you couldn't operate at all. Your society is really comprised of very stupid men. Let me say it again: all politicians, all lawyers, all businessmen, will be phased out. I'm not going to do it, it's not going to be a revolution, you don't need it. Our society cannot be maintained by this type of incompetency. It was great, the Free Enterprise System, about 35 years ago. That was the last of its usefulness. Now we've gotta change our way of thinking or perish. Our system is dying. If Nixon remains in it will die in his lap. If a liberal group gets in the society will fall. Our cities are going broke, we don't have the money nor the type of mentality required to save our society in politics or government I am not your enemy, I am not trying to destroy things, I do not believe in revolution. I believe that ideas must be presented to American people. They have to make the decision. LK: Now, Dr. Fresco is in the local phonebook, am I correct? -- JF: Yes. LK: Is that the number people would contact to get...? --- JF: Yes. LK: That's F-R-E-S-C-O. Dr. Jacque Fresco. LK: And we're going to do some-more with you, cause you're... you know what I'd like to do one day? -- JF: There's a hell of a lot on socio-cyberneering. I want to do one on human behaviour. LK: Now, human behaviour, how about, you're a human behaviourist. Now how about some engineers, you know, how about a regular guy form General Motors? -- JF: Love it. Get me the biggest establishment people you can get a hold of. I'd love 'em. Bankers, ecologists, economists - I can't use the kind of language I'd like to use on TV - but I'd like to talk to them. I'd like to blow it up for you to understand it. Like the money system now the whole idea of devaluation. Nobody knows what it's all about they all think it's very complicated. Actually it's very simple. I'll tell you what it is, if I have the time in a nutshell, what's going on. If an island, like Haiti, had about several hundred million dollars in assets. But they went on, and they printed more money than they had things to back it up, or gold. Then that money has no value. If a little island, say like, St. Croix printed lots of money and just came to the United States trying to buy things - they ran their printing presses night and day - the money is not backed, that's why it doesn't have anything. Your whole banking system is utterly corrupt. Your lending institutions have loused up the system. But there's nobody out there telling you what's wrong with it. So it looks okay to you. I'm not afraid of anybody, I don't work for anyone, no one can discharge me. I have no boss. The only thing that can happen to me is I can be put in prison. Well there're many books to write. In other words there are many things to be done. I am not afraid. I am afraid to live in the society we live in today. The direction we're moving in gives us 25 years for total environmental destruction. We have 7 years to mass starvation. We don't have much time. -- LK: The value of a nation, dollar value, America's value, the value of the dollar is not based on gold reserves, the value of the dollar is based on faith in this country, right? And it's output isn't it? -- JF: You can't build a nation on faith. It has to be backed up by resources. LK: Tell me, but if the French respect the Dollar it's back by respect for American resources. JF: Respect - it only means that it serves France in some useful way. A nation's interest in any other nation if always self-interest. When we send representatives to any other country, our self-interest is first. Whatever happens to that nation is secondary. We have nothing but utter materialism which dominates out society today. -- LK: You're talking about all countries? JF: Yes. All countries. LK: The science is socio-cyberneering The man behind it is Dr. Jacque Fresco. LK: I'm Larry King.

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Duration: 13 minutes and 12 seconds
Year: 1974
Country: United States
Language: English
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Larry King interviews Jacque Fresco in 1974.

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