TVP Teamspeak Q&A Seminar - 2012-04-08 - Human Behavior and Depression
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Hi everyone, thanks from coming.
Yes, thank you all for participating.
We are going to do a lecture first on human behaviour and depression.
It's about forty four minutes and then will take questions along those lines,
so thanks again and will get started.
Okay. Today we're going to talk about depression.
Feeling low, useless,
feeling that you can't do anything about
some particular problems
whether their personal, or social,
or you're not included in
in participation.
What is depression, first of all?
Depression is based upon, in most cases, looking for justice,
or looking for positive answers.
You can't look for positive answers, unless you know what to look for.
If an average person tries to build a bridge, a real bridge,
they could not participate because they
don't know the math,
they don't know the formula, they don't understand the problems.
The same with depression. When a person feels depressed,
and somebody says "why do you feel
depressed?",
they don't know, they just feel depressed,
because they don't have the tools
to work themselves out of that.
Now I'm going to talk about the tools.
If you or they have a see average person
how big the pontoons have to be on a sea plane
of a giving size, they don't know,
and will run in the loop saying I don't
know.
There's nothing I can do about the sea plane.
The same with depression.
When you don't have the answers to those
problems you go around in loops,
you always feel depressed. Now there's
verifiable depression such as the loss of a loved one,
or a dear friend, or a particular stress,
when you're told that you have cancer, and you have a short time to live,
they should be a depression, yes,
but if you're in good health and you don't feel that life is passing you by,
you might become depressed because you
feel that you're useless,
or with low self-sufficiency, or you don't know what to do about it.
So, depression is usually caused by lack of information or tools to overcome the problem.
If you can't do anything about it, if it is a earthquake, and your friends are killed,
it's normal to feel depressed for a certain period of time,
if a depression extends it means you don't have the tools to deal with it.
The tools to deal with it is "what you can do to prevent earthquakes, or diminishes it?"
Convert your depression to some constructive attitude,
if you don't know how to do that, look up information on constructive attitude.
Constructive attitude is doing something
about it,
therefore the feeling of depression
the feeling that you can't do anything
about certain conditions
the feeling that you're not useful to yourself or society
all of these indicate improper information.
All depression and based upon the inability to handle certain problems
having no tools to deal with those problems.
If you have the tools to deal with the problems,
it goes something like this:
if a tree falls over and you say:
"Gee, that tree is been there for years, that is a shame."
Plant a new tree, or straighten up the old tree if that bothers you.
If you can't, you've got to accept it as part of
natural occurrence.
If you are getting ready for a picnic and it's raining and it's cold out
you feel like your life has been interfered
with, that is your own projection.
Whatever happens is real. What you think should happen
is what depresses you.
So it's your expectations that depress you.
I put out a certain amount of effort or
that person, and they left me.
That means that you had expectations.
So what depresses you is your own limited information,
your own sense of projection, your own sense of values.
When I say your own sense I mean the
values that you pick up in your society.
So really, what is missing?
The same thing that's missing when people ask you to design safe automobiles.
No matter how much you think about it,
you don't know enough about it to provide safety devices.
You don't know how output proximity devices on cars
you don't know anything about it so therefore you go around in loops,
"Oh my god, that were an terrible accident, I wish I could have not been there,
I wish I could do something about it, those words do not solve problems.
What solves a problem is: "do I know enough about the subject to ease out of it?" The answer is no.
If an airplane were to have a bad landing
and a lot of people are injured, and you're depressed,
the next question is could you do
anything about it? No,
so the depression remains.
If you could do something about it make better tires, safer tires for airplanes,
that's converting depression to an action pattern.
If you just feel depressed, it means you don't have the tools to pull out,
that's all it means.
So, if a nation goes to war, and you send your sons to war,
and you hope he doesn't get killed, but
may depress you,
but what do you really want is no war,
you want conditions that will produce depression,
so you've joined an organization to fight those conditions, to alter those conditions.
If you do nothing to all of the conditions, nothing will happen.
Now, even if you do something to alter the conditions.
If there is something that you do is too different than the nature of the culture it wil not be adopted.
If you go to the army, and say why don't you guys study public health,
and how to improve relationship with other nations, the army says we have.
Now they have within their concept, you have to invite the other nations,
"what do you consider a constructive compromise?"
Not you going in saying "you got to think like we do."
You can't solve problems that way.
You can't walk into another country, and say take down the pope, takedown catholicism,
they're not about to do that, that is a request that is unnattainable.
Now, if you wish to grow food without spring pesticides on the food,
well, there's nothing you can think about,
if you don't know that sound can keep certain insects
off food; you have to know the answer to various problems.
That's the way you solve depression.
What depresses you is your expectations, not necessarily the real world.
So most people who have become depressed do not have the tools, or the answers to questions.
They either feel they rejected, they liked a certain person,
but the person did not return that, feeling to them,
or you're in love with somebody, but somebody doesn't love you.
Well there's a lot of people you don't like, that you reject, but you don't think about that,
so you've got to remember that different people have different standards,
if they like you to they may have parallel values,
if not, they would not like you. It's normal.
Now, it's very rare that a nazi family would adopt a jewish baby,
because there are certain (?) that interfere with that,
and if they did adopt a jewish baby,
if it misbehaved in some way, they'd say "it's probably because they're jewish",
See that is the only type of rationalization,
or if you go out with an afro-american,
and somebody says, "well you're going out with a different kind of person, you should go out with your own kind."
Sooner or later, everybody will do hurt you, in some way or another.
So you say, that's that damn african-american,
is that damn filipino, this a damn jew, or it's a damn italian,
everybody does things at times that you
don't like, including yourself,
you do many things you don't like,
but if you do too many things that you don't like,
it means that you are on a track that isn't relevant as is your(?) background.
You have no way of thinking your way out of it.
So that is study of behavioral science,
has nothing to do it presently psychology.
Behavioral science concerns itself with the factors that shape your behavior.
Now, if the behaviour is shaped by toxins, or poisons, that's something else entirelly different.
If the behavior is shaped by brain damage or physical injury,
Where you can't longer walk, and you want to walk or you want to get around.
If you don't even have the money for a wheelchair,
then you have to work out solutions within the conditions that's you're in,
either you don't get around with the wheelchair,
or you get books or you have somebody get books for you, that you might be interesed in
or if you work on activities within your range,
Or, if you're living with pain that's so severe, you may want to end your life,
that is not unreasonable if you can't get medical care.
And a lot of people do. They get in so much trouble in their lives,
due to the value system they have which they picked up their culture,
their value system does not offer
solutions to their problems,
So, life becomes painful and they decide to take their life, because living is too painful.
That's because they don't have alternatives to turn to.
The more alternatives you have, the lower probability of depression.
So, depression is not a psychological condition
manic sometimes they feel high, very high, sometimes they feel very low,
What psychology does and psychiatry is invent a label for you; that does not describe the condition.
When you call a person a schizophrenic,
Are they schizophrenic because people in their neighborhood threaten them?
If you live in an italian neighbourhood, and you're not italian,
the most italians would boycott you, or that is if they're brought up that way,
they won't behave pleasantly toward you so we feel that everybody's against you.
They are in your neighborhood. Sometimes it's real.
Everybody was against every new idea.
The liberation of women, the freedom of the slaves. There was always somebody against it.
But if you're a minority and you advocate program that's not possible within the limits of that society,
then you have to accept that society is too far backward to understand that change.
Or if you go in with great enthusiasm and great belief, and they still don't understand,
you might say "well what's the matter with those people?" Nothing is the matter with those people,
they've been indoctrinated for years against filipinos, or against afro-americans,
or against sweeds, or jews, or polacks.
The society you live in gives you a set of values
that somwhat appropriate for the success
of some members of that society.
It has nothing to do with your own life.
So, they program you the fit within that society,
but if you really don't fit within that society you may get depressed,
because you don't know who you are, or what you are, or what you stand for,
or what kind of contributions to make to society, you feel you're a failure.
All failures are people that have inappropriate information.
Now you have to ask questions like: what is appropriate information?
Information essential to the conditions you live under,
that will help you out of those conditions.
Such as, if you plant a group of flowers, and they freeze,
you like flowers, now you're hurt, because you lost the flowers.
But there is a possibility of covering those flowers,
so they are not subject to the freeze. But if you don't have the tools to do that,
you will encounter problem after problem.
All problems, except physical diseases which you can get,
which can torture you, torment you,
that's a reason (?)that people take their lives, they have no way of that,
they don't know how to control that, and if doctors don't know how to control that,
the decisions you make are based on what you know, and how much pain you feel.
If we could devise a system which is called chemotherapy,
chemotherapy is using drugs to make a person feel good,
that's not based on the value system.
When the drugs wear out, you feel depressed again, so they have to take the drugs.
Rather than drugs, what you really need is a process level
for understanding what it is that depresses you, and what tools you lack,
so you have to seek out the tools, the methods of solving those problems,
not taking drugs as an anti-depressant.
You can't, you can make a person feel relaxed, but until the chemical is wears out,
because there's not change in the values.
People that use such systems are really doing inappropriate research,
unless you use that system temporarily until the person becomes better informed.
Unless psychology alters your values,
and points out other ways of living, which are not inherent in your(?) social system.
Then you become aberrated to other people. You appear very different, you don't fit in,
if you don't know a new way of thinking, or a different way of thinking.
Or let's say you are peacemaker, one that that advocates peace in a nation at war,
the nation's thinks you are subversive, you're hurting their war effort, and you feel depressed.
Only if you know what you're saying is true, you feel sorry for the other people that use force.
Instead of feeling depressed, you feel sorry for the people that kill, soldiers, you understand?
You only feel depressed when you're not sure of your beliefs, or your acceptance.
If you believe you can build a flying machine,
and everybody says you're nuts, and you feel depressed about that,
it means that you are not sure about your own convictions.
If you know you can build a flying machine, you don't depend on what people say.
If you believe that all people should have equal rights, and most people don't believe that,
you feel sorry for the other people, and you try to change them.
And if you can't change them, you say i don't have the ability to change them.
Feeling depressed means you expected some change,
because you delivered some effort and logic.
You can't... You only get it from other people what you get from them,
not what you hope to get, do you understand that?
So feeling disappointed on people,
must be disappointment on your own expectations, not the other people.
They are consistent with their background.
We are going to talk about behavioral sciences and many different action patterns that people have.
But this is the basis that I am giving you without the sunny day in May.
Those of you that don't know what that means,
I wanted to know as a kid how airplanes fly.
And I took a book out on the Wright brothers and it opened with "there was a sunny day in May
and mrs. Orville Wright was hanging clothing one the line.
I did not want to know that, I wanted to know how airplanes fly.
so the most books you read have a lot of sunny day in May
and very little information because writers get paid by the amount of words they put out
so you got to think about that. And sometimes people don't have information
they say if only the people would be kind and
considerate
and learn to live in peace and harmony with one another we wouldn't have war.
Well, how do we do that? That's the problem.
What you think, sometimes, (?)is the words that you hear, "if only people become considerate,
kinder, deeper understanding."
Without elaboration, nobody knows what you're talking about.
So people agree with the conclusions,
we're going to be kinder, understanding, but nobody knows what understanding means.
If you don't understand yourself, you can understand other people.
Understand means accept the things you cannot change,
know where to look to promote change, and some people that are ready for it.
There are many people that will not change, that cannot change, due to do their heavy indocrination.
So you've got to understand, when you meet with people,
you get the best that you can, to help them understand.
If they fail, it may mean that your delivery was not relevant to their values,
or that they had been too heavily indoctrinated to accept what you say.
You don't know that, so you don't come at it with "I'm sure, I feel, I can get you to understand me."
You can't be that sure, unless you know anything about them,
and very few people know everything about anybody else.
People will revert back to their way of thinking, because they have no other tools.
When you come at them, you're giving them new tools,
which they not, may not fully understand.
If they fully understand what you're talking about,
they will begin to practice, saying, I don't know but I'm going to try,
when you try, and it doesn't work, you become discouraged.
Remember, whenever you try anything, art, painting, sculpture, if it doesn't work,
you become discouraged rather than knowing that the instructor was unable to get the information to you,
or you don't have enough background to make that leap,
or that you don't have enough understanding to move in that direction.
Even though you wish to become a flyer, and you get an airplane,
and you can't keep the airplane straight, and a pilot will say you will never be a flyer, you have no good sense of balance.
He is not imparting information to you, he is imparting the results of your inability to fly.
But information is checking with the horizon line,
and closing your eyes and to tell the person(?) with the chair is tilted to the left and right,
practice, and then you can pretty much say,
I feel too much pressure in the right part of the buttocks, or in the left part of the buttocks,
that is what the guy does that knows how to fly.
He may not know how to transfer that to you, he says "You just don't make a good pilot,
you don't have the ability." Those are no information words,
it's a feeling you get when the planes flying at an angle, you feel different pressures,
you don't pay attention to those, you pay attention "I can't keep this airplane straight."
People don't know how to transfer information.
Now, even if you're not sensitive to that, you can be put in a dummy cockpit, and tilted,
and learn to say I think I merely upright, because the pressure is even on the right and left side of my body, on the chair.
You can be made aware of thing if you're not aware of,
assuming the person doesn't have paralysis of the nervous system.
Of course because you use your eyes, but you also use of the systems,
if you blindfold a person and have them walk on crooked surface they have problems.
If I took two prisms and put them in front of your eyes and rock them uniformly with a rhythm
you would wobble up and back, if I tilt the horyzon you would go to the left then you go to the right.
If I put binocular vision on a puppy with a periscope, so the sight level is 2 inches of the ground
a little dog looks like a big dog, and the dog will appropriately respond to that.
If you make a distance look four times as deep as it is, and the animal will stop at steps rather tend to go down.
The brain is associated already with a certain perspective.
If you produce that same thing in an optical device, a person will behave just as though they're twenty feet high,
even though there're only three feet off the ground.
They have to react to that, that's based on experience and associated memory.
If you fill a person's brain, and you tell him that the greeks are responsible to all the world problems today,
if you do that over and over again, that's is what the propaganda is:
repeat of the same thing over and over again, your ability to discriminate between propaganda and reality,
you have no training in it in school, your trained in patriotism, you're not trained in different people have different points of view,
due to the difference of upbringing.
Now if you train people in that way, you can't control them, that's why we trained a certain way.
Because we live in a civilization, although I use the word civilization, we are not civilized yet.
Being civilized is knowing where to look, what to accept, what to reject as highly improbable,
and somebody says Jesus coming tomorrow morning, that's highly improbable,
because people talk about the end of the world coming,
years and years back it had never came, says at the wrong dates, the rule is not the right place.
You can invent all kinds of things. You have to learn how to say: what I heard seems to me highly improbable.
It may be probable, but if you don't have the tools to evaluate it.
If a surgent talks to a lay person about new techniques in surgery, they can't always understand that,
because they don't have the background that that person has, or the doctor(?)hasn't talk to you.
If you talk about new inventions and electronics,
and the person has no experience in the field at all, you make assumptions, first thing you do what you say:
"do you know anything about electronics? Do you know what a resistor is? you know what a transformer is? No.
And you have to tell them that, then you can go into things.
Some people even though you deliver genuine information, if they don't have the background to assimilate, you're talking to yourself.
Or sometimes you might talk to people (?)about human behavior, for a little while, then you say them are you interested into that subject,
they said not particularly, then get off.
But if you come up to people and say "are you familiar with the The Venus Project?
- No. - Are you interesed in social change, are you interesed in a world without war? - Not particularly, I'm interesed in me." So, that means don't bother, they're not interesed.
If they enquire into things, you tell them a little bit and say what you think I mean, and they come up with something entirely different and repeate in another way,
until you get the same meaning, because all people will react, not to you, to their background,
so whenever you get disappointed on another person, it's never the other person, it's your expectations that are wrong.
If you want to use words, like right wrong, which I don't ordinarily use.
You don't allow for differences in background; you figure I told the person, therefore they should understand; they don't understand, it means you didn't tell them anything.
Or sometimes you do tell them things, but the ego trip gets in the way.
Now i want to tell you something, you spoke your words, now I'll speak mine.
Sharing, you know, a lot of people believe in equal participation, altough they may not have qualification for equal participation.
or they don't understand your use of language.
And i don't say that psychologists and psychiatrists don't arrive at some truths, some actual things, they do,
but they don't have a clear picture of what it is that shapes behaviour,
they say, "when life hits you like that you hit it back, you take hold of yourself" Did you ever hear that?
Use your head, think, you can't if the guy says "my landing gear won't come down", ask the psychiatrist, what does he suggest you do
to make the landing gear come down, he says "I don't know anything about airplaines", well you don't know anything about behaviour either
if you just say "when life hits you like that you hit it back".
That sounds good, makes you feel confident but it doesn't work. You can't hit life back.
You can understand it, or you can understand where on a person is coming from but
Psychiatry is "why do you hate your mother?"
or "you have a compulsion neurosis."
What's that? What's a compulsion neurosis?
There's no such thing as a compulsion neurosis.
Or the person is inattentive, it means that
what you have to say doesn't get to them at all
so they wonder while you're talking.
But if he says would you like a bag of candy?
Most kids would be very attentive.
(?)who'd be guarded(?)
"Or would you like an ice cream cone? - Yes"
Would you like to spend the day in prison?
Well, that's not interesting so inattentive people are usually not attentive
in your subject
or they're brought up not to be
interested in your subject.
or they have a value system that clashes
with their outlook.
So all of us
are inattentive.
If you took an intelligent person, a doctor,
and you begin to talk about how pickles
are determined ripe
in the pickle factory
they may not be interested in that so
they may (?)pay less attention to it.
If you say that there are
three new great developments in Medicine
they lean forward,
because they're doctors
but if they're shoe makers
they don't lean forward.
But if you say there's a new way to put shoes together faster
and a new glue that holds leather together,
they may lean forward.
So everybody is
inattentive
to some subjects,
otherwise everybody would be a generalist.
Do you understand?
but if you say "the trouble with you is that you're inattentive"
that does not inform anybody about
anything,
it's just (?)really informs them
about your rejection
of their behaviour and
without giving them anything
you leave them in midair.
Or the trouble with you my wife
is you don't always cook the things I like.
Well aparently you haven't made it clear
or she doesn't give a damn.
and that's something for you to decide.
so everybody is inattentive
to certain subjects.
If i give you a big fat book
on women's garments
there's not a thing in there
that a certain
person would read,
if he's a bricklayer,
he doesn't give a damn about those
things,
so the trouble with him is that
he is inattentive.
Everybody is inattentive to some area.
You go to the gun club and talk about hydrodynamics,
the pumping of fluids
they would fall asleep.
Talk about guns they all wake up,
because they have
(?)mono interest
or limited interest
and then you say the trouble with you is
you're not interested in hidrodynamics.
Well that doesn't make them interested in hidrodynamics.
People only become interested in something
that is relevant
to their value system.
So you talk to twenty people and nothing
happened,
"bunch of dummies!" No they're not. The're hooked
in a certain value system
and your expectations
do not fit that circumstance.
So, when I say we talk at people
when people come here I try and find
out where they're coming from
if they're the women's club and fashion club,
I might talk to them about Veblen's work in fashion
and how it got to be then they would
question their field,
do you understand?
If you teach people even if they're into fashion, you can alter them by (?)starting with fashion,
and if they are architects
you start out with "what is a shelter?"
"well, a shelter is a home that people live in."
Well, a shelter
is a space suit
out in space.
That's a shelter.
Within it is an atmosphere,
you can defecate, you wear diapers
in the space suit, you can urinate because there's something to catch the urine.
So that's a shelter.
What is a shelter
when you go underwater you wear a diving suit?
You bring with you your
environment under the water
because you can live underwater.
So all we have is a fixed definition of a shelter,
it's a house with a pointy roof.
all our notions
about uh...
anything
is part of indoctrination.
So when you say "yes, but what about
thinking for yourself? You can't do that
unless you lived in other cultures
have read different kinds of books
have been exposed to sociology
anthropology
and understand
that different people have different
reactions to the same thing.
"The trouble with you is that you're inattentive." That doesn't work.
Ask them if they're interested in what you're talking about.
Apparently your mother is not interested in what you talk about.
And she can't even hear it,
she looks at you as a strange boy
interested in things that don't count.
What really counts?
That's very difficult to ask a person
whether they're into semantics, of course they're not,
they would come up with those questions.
That's why a lot of people say "it seems
to me" which is better.
"It seems to me
that we are moving in the wrong direction." It
doesn't mean that it's moving in a wrong...
"It seems to me" is good
or
"I believe that",
that's alright.
I believe that the person misbehaves
but I don't know why.
Rarely do people speak like that.
They don't speak like that,
they never terms like
"it seems to me" or I feel it's highly
probable.
They don't speak that way,
so you know who you're dealing with
without asking them
whether they ever heard of semantics.
I'm sure if you even talk to a semanticist
they have words like
"either or".
You never say either or
but if you're on a precipice and you take one step backwards
it's either or. There are
either or conditions.
So when a semanticist tries to codify language
and fitted in their field,
they sometimes negate it.
Or they "would say how do you feel about this
construct?"
that's pretty good, you're inviting other
people or you'll never see that
due to human nature.
Well, what is your
meaning when you use the term human nature?
Inborn patterns of human behaviour.
Like what?
You say "patriotism, is that inborn?"
Well not that.
they might understand that.
so you have to show them, it's up to you
to take their value system and dissect it
and show them that is
not as useful as "what have we here? I don't know,
let's check it out."
That's a useful observation.
The man is
evil.
There was a man,
this is a true story I'm telling you:
this guy used to get up every morning and the neighbor
walked down the street he used to say "good morning"
and the neighbor never answered to him,
and he was a little disappointed in him.
Years later he found out that he was deaf,
he never heard anything the guy said,
this is true, sometimes a person has a normal
set of the face is a frown,
and you say "old sourpuss."
Do you understand me?
That's a normal posture.
"That old sourpuss."
And everybody agrees.
And the guy himself thinks he's an old sourpuss.
People project like mad.
Now there's a difference between
extrapolating
and projecting
when you extrapolate, if you notice in cold weather
some trees begin to wither
and if it gets cold you can extrapolate
that's going to wither more.
but projection is
assuming things
without any basis for that assumption,
except everyone has a
right to their own opinion.
That's not extrapolation
that's a repeat
of a slogan.
So our society is so wrapped up in
irrelevancy and
that is a difficult problem.
The more irrelevant (?)to society the
more you have to work
to convert them to another system.
If that system does not appear useful to
them
and will not hear it.
So you have to package it
so it appears useful to them.
How would you like to get along with
people
and not get into fights?
the guy called it used to work here
The guy Paul that used to work here, he used to, when somebody would insult him or hurt him he would provoke a fight.
Now he sits.
He understands that if he
fights he could wind up in jail, he can injure the other person,
the other person can injure him,
he can been killed,
so he doesn't fight, he says, anymore any more.
He says "what used to make me angry and fight
doesn't anymore."
Getting into a physical fight
the guy insults you:
"you're nothing but a pinhead."
You say: "what do you say about me?" You know I was in a restaurant once eating
and a big guy came at me and said, "you're sitting in my chair."
So I got up and let him have it.
He was the kind of guy that would use force, so I said "that's right."
He would be called a bully in other...
"You let that guy move you out of your chair?
Well, I would tell him off."
Well you feel good telling him off but you
got a black eye,
two teeth missing,
and brain injury.
But you told him off. So what?
And they say "boy, you're chicken, you're meek you don't stand up for what you believe in."
And that encourages soldiers: "standup for what you believe in
get out there and fight!"
So they send you home
in a plastic bag in pieces,
but you stood up for your beliefs.
Nobody gives a shit about that.
I'm saying in a nutshell that the world
doesn't hurt people
unless there's an earthquake.
But most people are hurt
by their expectations of others
and the world.
The world itself
operates a certain way.
(?)When there's an earthquake you maintain stability,
get out of the building
so it doesn't fall on you
or you get into a shelter that seems to be
strong; that's more appropriate than
saying "what the hell is the matter with nature?"
or "god will take care of me".
Some guy fell off a tree with a chainsaw
and it only cut part of him. He said
Jesus protected me I could have lost my arm.
You can project your own values.
Jesus has nothing better to do
than to watch (?) billions of people
at the same time
and to protect you.
Really simplistic values.
they are shockingly painful and dangerous (?)Due to simplistic values a person may want to
kill you, because you say
you don't believe in Muhammad
and therefore you don't believe in Allah
and Allah made everything on Earth,
you are evil. And if a person really believes that
he wil treat you like
somebody who hurts him.
And you are hurting him.
So, all these different things
have to be taken into account. We can't
anticipate the background
of other people.There's nothing wrong in asking him:
"what's are your favorite books?
whom do you admire, the pope?"
whoever they admire
gives you some tools to work with
but if you just come at people
you're projecting the assumption that
the person appears to be full grown therefore they would understand.
People know nothing until you do a
survey of "what have we here?
The answer: "I don't know."
Then the survey.
What are your favorite books
what kind of movies do you like?
If you do that first it's much easier
than just coming at them.
And you can't talk to people that say:
I regret that I only have but two
sons to give to my country,
they both have died in action and I am a war hero from WW1. That person is not
asking you
what do you think of a enemy nation?
what is an enemy?
He's not that person
he's a person that you would say "boy, I sure admire you
for giving your two sons to the country.
That's what he wants to hear,
that's part of the grammar of motives.
You can't talk to certain people because they aren't there to talk
they are there to have their rigid opinions verified
And you have a hell
of a lot of people.
So you go to the American Legion meeting
and talk about world unification
you stand much less of a chance than talking to the humanists.
People don't think about that
they feel so sure of their own views
that other people will understand them,
"You guys are nuts!" and they walk out.
Very difficult job unless they come to hear you.
unless you identify with them especially if
you get up and say, start off with I'm jewish which is much easier.
- You know what I mean? - Yes, we didn't mentioned
that kind of thing, identifying with them first.
Yes, if you don't identify with them...
I'm a member of the boy scouts of
America that's okay too.
Or I am a greek whoever you talk to; when I went to Greece
I sang a greek song.
And they all aplauded.
They loved it, he opened
by singing(?)
oh they went crazy.
Will cut back now.
We can go into some questions.
Can technological unemployment in and of itself
collapse the system?
Are there efforts involved
in research and development
of a technical plan out that
addresses
the practicality of a Resource Based
Economy (?)may be
something that addresses are current
state and how to proceed?
I don't think so unless you study
something about energy determinants how
much energy it takes to accomplish
a given task.
We can only compare things
to the energy they required to acomplish a given task.
If not any ideas on how to get this effort started?
Are you talking about technical blueprints for a Resource Based Economy?
I'm not sure what they're talking about.
- Are there any technical blueprints for
a Resource Based Economy being developed? - Yes.
Okay, Jacque why don't you write any material for mainstream,
for example, a book on depression,
tips, techniques, information and advice?
I can't do that because i don't
have any credentials
and the book would not be
widely
accepted
it's like talking about Christianity
in a muslim country.
The muslim people already have a set
regarding their beliefs.
It's very difficult
unless they come to you and say what is
christianity, what is an agnostic?
Not "what is an agnostic!?"
Not in anger.
If they ask questions, yes,
you can answer them.
I'm concerned about the
the separation between the Zeitgeist
Movement and The Venus Project
in regards to finding common ground between
even those who agree
with the ideals of a a Resource Based Economy.
Do you believe that this creates the
conditions needed
to create a Resource Based Economy?
Anybody who wants to work with a Resource
Based Economy with The Venus Project,
the doors are open.
I don't think that we're going to be
joining The Zeitgeist Movement
to do anything
in regards to what they're working with it.
We're working a bit in different direction.
We don't have hostility to the members
of The Zeitgeist Movement
I'm not sure what else to say about that.
- Do you want to say anything about that? - Yes, The Zeitgeist Movement
does not have a blueprint
for any aspects of attaining
a Resource Based Economy.
They are people who point out the
shortcomings of our present culture
and look different people come in
and make suggestions
as to which way to go.
I don't understand that
I would understand if they had a
procedural system for attaining
a Resource Based Economy,
but it has to be based on a system
that's already been worked out.
You can't just sit back and say "let's do this or let's do that".
We could not with a Zeitgeist
Movement because they
merely pointed out the shortcomings
of our culture
and had nothing to do with how to attain
a Resource Based Economy
I did say that if you wish to know more
about it
read up
read our books, look at our tapes,
look at our website so you pick up more
information as to how it operates.
Without that there is just no communication.
In one of your videos you said potatoes give
propensity towards alcoholism
what do you mean by that and can you point a research on that?
No, I can't remember but
I read that on a journal
on health.
And I read that
the irish people
that tend to drink more alcohol
was due to the heavy diet of potatoes.
I never went into it I never looked at the details, I just remember that.
I am not sure about
this question but "how do you
condition people when talking to them?"
You question them back.
Yes, to see if they understand what you mean
give them a chance to counteract your statements,
and then if you have procedural system,
you use the best knowledge that you have
to address the problems you face,
but the best knowledge can only be
attained if you check on
most experiments
that have proven certain things.
Of course, you have to know what the shortcomings are of experiments.
Not all experiments arrive at the same
conclusions.
Your ability to decipher
that which is more relevant
or less relevant
has to do with your background.
Are you familiar with the movie "The secret?"
It tells of the energy space
uh... about that
our toughts are material and connected with
the cosmos.
What do you think about it?
As I remember too a little bit about
The secret,
they talked about that if you manifest
what you want in your toughts
it will come about
if I remember that correctly
I have no identification
with that film.
There's nothing in it that
that made sense to me.
What type of food, diet
do you eat or do you have to recommend?
What is the most optimal diet(?)?
I would answer that by saying
organically grown food would probably be
the most efficient
for the human body
and would eliminate
great many problems because to grow a cow or an animal takes a lot of food,
and you can feed more people
if you don't use
if you use a vegetarian organically grown food you stand less of a chance of contracting
disease; if the food has on artificial coloring (?)or is genetically altered, we don't know
enough about it, there's not enough time
that have been
devoted to research in that area.
So I would stay away from
genetically altered food
and chemically treated food,
and artificial coloring and flavoring.
These are the conclusions I arrive at.
It doesn't make it correct i'm just
telling you what I accept in that area.
There's a lot of work to do in that area,
to arrive at
more appropriate decisions.
We have a question about prohibited
herbes and stuff like that.
How do you plan to handle stuff like
alcohol, cigarettes and prohibited drugs?
They won't be available.
- In a Resource Based Economy?
- In a Resource Based Economy
detrimental things would not be
available, you couldn't buy hotdogs or cigarettes,
they will not be made.
And people who are addicted to that would be treated with the best knowledge we have
for treating such addiction.
I'm just trying to help people
understand why they act
the way they do.
Instead of getting angry at a person,
i look at them differently, I say "they don't have the tools
to understand or I'm using(?) that do not register with them.
In other words if I go to a Klu klux klan
meeting I can't come out
with my values; they wouldn't understand.
so I have to alter my values
and give really primitive examples
and if they begin to understand
then you can become more elaborate with
the passing of time.
The degree
of information that you present depends on how much they've learned.
I guess we'll wrap it up for today, then.
Yes, thank you for all your efforts that you put out,
and thanks for the opportunity
to be able to answer some of your questions.
Yes, we really appreciate everybody's
work towards the film that just came out
to the new documentary, how they're
helping spreading it around,
and everything else that you're doing.
- It's a real pleasure working with everyone. - Yes, I agree with that.
Trying to change the world is a pleasure.
It's a great adventure.
Thank you that was very helpful.
Hopefully we'll see you next week.