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The Venus Project, Caux Initiatives of Change Conference, 2010 Douglas Mallette - Space Shuttle Systems Engineer. Author - Turning Point This morning we're looking at initiatives to try and tackle hunger and poverty in the world. Yesterday, we looked at our environment and what we can do and we heard some wonderful speakers and of course all of these things are intertwined aren't they? The environment, the poverty, the conflict good news and bad news; they all hold them together. So this morning we're going to hear from three speakers and I'm going to, in a minute, invite our first speaker to come speak to us. This is Douglas Mallette. He's from the United States. Now Douglas (I really liked this part of it) he's a systems engineer with the Space Shuttle Program and he's also here representing something called The Venus Project which I'm very interested to find out more about. Now, this project aims to advance... the social advancement of humanity through science, engineering and technology. Douglas is also a space advocacy speaker and author and he's just written a book, is that right? He's just written a wonderful book, it sounds really fascinating called 'Turning Point - How Space Exploration and Development Will Determine the Rise and Fall of Humanity'. Sorry? [Man from audience] -the rise 'or' fall -Oh the Rise 'or' Fall Yes, thank you very much. That's what's so wonderful about being in a community is that you get a lot of support. So I'm going to invite Douglas to now come up and speak and share with us. Testing 1, 2, am I on yet? -No Now I'm on here? -YES- Okay. Very good. Make sure the audio works. There's two things I'd like to start with. To plant some seeds in your head before I continue on and then continue the discussion. Question the unquestionable, and challenge the unchallengeable. History is not made by those who just follow the status quo. They always rise up and challenge what is considered to be the norm of the time. That is always not easy. So with that in mind... We live in some pretty amazing times right now while a lot of people don't understand that because you're in it. It's hard to step back and think about the era that you're living in while you're in it. So what I'd like to do thankfully to the fantastic tour I had yesterday evening about the history of this house and its meaning. I want you to transport yourself back to 1902 in this house. Think about the way the people lived then. How they conducted their daily lives, how they got around. Now with you, I want you to bring your cellphone. Let's pretend for a moment that the satellites are up there and that the systems are working and you have a friend, let's say, we'll put them in Houston, Texas, where I live; just for the story's sake. You pull out your cellphone and you make a phonecall to somebody almost on the other side of the planet and you start talking into this device. what do you think the people from 1902 would do? How do you think they would perceive you? Now let's take a step further. Let's have that conversation on -?- saying "Well, I'll be there in about 15 hours or so." -halfway around the planet almost. "In about 15 hours, but first I've got to get on my laptop- "I've got to check some emails- "I just recently found out that a youtube video was posted- "of my niece or nephew or cousin, kicking awesome soccer goals "so I want to take a look at that, that looks like it's pretty good." -and you're saying all this in front of people from 1902. Now, today that's normal, right? Back then, how do you think you would be perceived? Now go forward 100 years. How do you think they would perceive us? What kind of advancements, technological innovations human ingenuity, are going to come about that might make us look odd to them? Science, technology and engineering is the process by which we overcome challenges and difficulties. That's basically what it is and most people are quite deaf to computers and things of that nature. But to be honest, isn't the hammer an innovation of science and technology? Instead of using a rock, you use a hammer, you invent something that's more efficient, more sustainable, better for the time. Sustainability, of course, is the key focus of the conference, that is going right now There's another word that goes with sustainability that should be considered and that's abundance. If you do not have abundance, you have deficiencies you have holes in your system. When you have a hole in your system, or a deficiency inevitably you get a hole or a deficiency in humanity. We've seen throughout history how those holes manifest usually through conflict, subrogation, stratification those who have, those who have not. But through abundance, you achieve sustainability. For the first time in human history we are capable of producing abundance of all biological needs and quality of life needs through the advents of technology without the need for human labor. I want you to think about that for a moment. The ability to provide everything you need to live and live well without the need for human labor. Computers, robots, automation advanced technical systems that can process trillions of bits of information The entire... I know you all are very smart... The entire room combined could not accomplish what a single computer can do as far as information processing is concerned. We have invented these tools to use them for our own benefit but we're not really doing that. So what I wanted to talk about later on this afternoon is I'm going to go through a systematic breakdown of all the biological all of the social all of the quality of life needs that humans need in order to show you all of the technical capabilities that can produce those in abundance. It's very important to understand that at no time in human history has this ever been possible any ideas that you may have of human nature how people behave, all of those historical contexts are valid prior to our current capability. Never before have we been able to do what I'm going to discuss this afternoon and I look forward to enjoying that conversation with you. Thank you. I think you'll find many people in the workshop this afternoon Hello everyone, thank you for coming to my workshop here I'll briefly introduce myself again although the powerpoint kind of covers it. I'm a space shuttle systems engineer I've worked with the payload manifest for "Space Shuttle Endeavor" That's my bird basically we're scheduling for launch in February, it'll be the last flight of Endeavor because the US space shuttle program is it's way in down. So that's what I do, I'm also an author of a book called "Turning Point - How Space Exploration and Development Will Determine the Rise or Fall of Humanity." In case anyone is interested, I brought some with me they're in the back and it's US$20 so I don't even care what the conversion rate is--- what is he saying here? is it worth? but if anybody wants to read about space exploration and development and understand the take on what it has meant to humanity up to this point what it means to us in the future, the technologies that it has developed and a lot of those technologies I'm going to end up talking about here. and because that's where you get the sustainability and the abundance is from the technological applications that we've invented over the course of at least the last 30 or 40 years. We've really made abundance possible. Any time before that, it hasn't been possible. And I just realized I'm not using the microphone. Any time before that it hasn't been possible. So, let's start off. Basic Necessities of Life (Biological) Who here can just - shout out or raise a hand or whatever give me a typical biological need. [Water] Water [Oxygen] Air [Food] K, Food [Sleep] Sleep [Energy] Not necessarily I'll explain why in a bit. Biological need. Now if you're talking about energy as in biological, that's what the food provides. The food and the water, correct? So that's how you could look at it that way. [Sunlight too] Yeah, helps with the melatonin in the skin, and everything of that nature as well. It also helps with mental protection and attitude. Sunlight ... Alright, so we've got Air Food. Water Sleep Medical Care You have to be able to take care of yourself if you get broken. I consider that a biological necessity In order to maintain my life. So there is basically these strong 5 examples of biological necessities So what about quality of life necessities? Things that take you above and beyond just living The biological needs keep the human being, the creature, alive. What about quality of life? Who can name out some of those? [Clothes] [Shelter.] Shelter, Clothes, ok. What else? [Transportation] Transportation [Education] Education The internet ... energy. Now is where the energy comes into play We were talking about the electricity and the power and what drives the comforts that we have. The AC, the heating, things of that nature. So we got shelter discovered. Clothing, education, energy, transportation, communication --pretty big. Especially in today's world. We've learned that, it's because of global communication we have become a more interconnected and knowledgeable world. No longer are the events isolated to small regions. And you find out about it 10 months later. There could be a power-out or something like. It is now, "you pull out your phone and you know what's going on in the world in an instant." Or just hop online. So what are the necessities for a sound mind in social state? What kind of things do you think would apply in this category? [Security] ok [Music] [Social Freedom] Hmm? [Social Freedom] Social freedom or music. [Motivation] Motivation ok, alright Purpose? "What do you want to be when you grow up?" "What do you really want to do?" Not what you have to do to pay the bills ya know, because what you really want to do might not pay enough! That happens a lot in the Arts. People just can't afford to do what the want to do for a living because it's not going to give them a high quality of life! So they settle for something else and they do their art as a hobby. But what would motivate them the most Is their passion. Is their art. For me, I'm the science-tech geek. So that's, that's my thing, that's what motivates me. I love space exploration, I love star ships, I love satellites, I love studying Mars geography and thinking about the lunar bases. And so that's what motivates me. Recreation Community-- family, friends, colleagues. And with recreation I guess I could put the Arts and things of that nature. But that would also go into Purpose. So they can blend together, these kinds of things, this slide, a lot of these can interconnect. So now we're going to talk about abundance. And we're going to get back to that with you in a second We're gonna detail that for a litle bit longer By far the most important word in the respect to mankind's ability to live peacefully on this earth, is the word Abundance. Abundance has been possible in small pockets. An island nation, if it has enough natural resources and a small population. Can live in relative abundance. To it's condition. But I'm not talking about isolated pockets we're talking about the world here at this conference. So can we provide abundance for those needs that we just listed, for the entire global population. Yes. We can. And I will show you how So what I'm going to do is called the Gedanken Experiment or "Thought Experiment." And we're gonna set up some premises on this and I'll explain those. First is that we are living in a Resource-Based Economy. What does that mean? A Resource-Based Economy is... independent of all money, there is no more monetary system. You don't work for cash to pay for stuff to live. The way the system(RBE) is set up is that the technology we have invented produces enough (more than enough, a surplus in some instances because you have to account for percentage over life.) of every need that you need. And so given that. Let me ask you this question? If you have an abundance of food does it have an intrinsic value? Yes. Does it have a market value? No. Because it's in abundance. The same like you can't charge for air because air is in abundance. If you had any product, service, or commodity available in abundance that you could readily get anytime you want We wouldn't have a market value. So by it's very nature abundance cancels the need for a system of exchange because there is no longer anything to exchange. There are no longer financial risks or concerns to stop or restrict the adequate use of technology. I don't know how many times I hear in the space shuttle program that we have budget issues even though we do amazing work. We deal with the Space Station up in space that does research on plants and biology and tries to figure out the human condition in a unique environment. It can grow crystals too that can help with making better materials to be used on earth. There are many experiments going on in space but there's always a budget problem. Even though it's -?- It has proved to be one of the most important endeavors that mankind has ever embarked upon. Is space exploration. Because the technologies it has delivered. If it wasn't for space you wouldn't have the cell phones. Because you wouldn't have the satellite systems that relay the communication around the planet. The majority of human labor is phasing out as more robust automated systems are put in place. And people who wish to work in any field that can be automated are more than welcome to do so In other words if you had a fully automated facility for a particular service but somebody who really feels like doing that. Do it. That's fine, whatever makes them happy. So let's look at abundance solutions sets for biological needs. We'll go down this first. [Excuse me I don't understand the word abundance so is mister M. Jones the person...] ***Another audience member communicates in German to explain the term "abundance" to the former female questioner*** [ok ok] Thank you! (laughs) I can speak German... Ok. Fantastic! I need to learn them. ...simultaneous translation... I understand. Alright so let's look at the, air I kinda already touched on, right? Air is a naturally occurring thing, it's in abundance, it's out there. The only thing that would really mess up our air supply is completely destroying every amount of plant life on the planet. [So what about clean air] Clean air matters yes you cant live in dirty air, agree. Again I go back into plants which are filtering mechanisms. Food. Let's give an example of abundance solution set for food. A hydroponic vertical farm that takes up 1 acre of footprint in the ground has the equivalency of 400 acres of flat land. You could feed about 200 thousand people if not more. The technology is called the "Omega Gardening System." Can I say something or do you wanna save it to the end? You mean questions and all that? Yeah... Further at the end? Sure. If you wanna do that, absolutely. So consideration according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture 1 acre of land can grow 20,000 pounds of potatoes. Potatoes are particularly are sold in 5 pound bags for a family. So by those numbers 1 acre supplies potatoes for 4000 families. Therefore, just one vertical farm building with a 400 acre equivalency would then supply potatoes for 1.6 million families. The average family size in America is three people. Meaning 4.8 million people will be fed by this one potato building. Alright, that's Houston Texas. Where I'm from basically, that's about the geographic population that we're talking about here. [So what is the nutrient level compared to the...] The nutrient levels will be provided by the fish that will be in the system that will provide the nutrients that will be filtered up through the pumps. That will come down and hydroponically cover the plants that are involved. ??? Right. But this would just be an automated system where the robotics, the robots actually take care of the maintenance and facilitation of the facility. The only time human labor is required is to build the initial facility and then just monitor it after that. And the computers actually can call you much like luxury cars these days can let you know when they're gonna break down or when they need an oil change. They actually can page you or email you, your car will do it! This building could be set up to do the exact same thing so the technicians that would be interested in this kind of work and like doing this would be on call like doctors are and so they would get paged if the building knows that it's coming up to a problem. Did I saw you raise your hand? You could also get year-round crops where as in the problem of weather conditions [....] Right, it's a climate controlled facility, yes. In fact you don't need sunlight at all, the way the omega gardening system work. And it actually works on a ultra-violet LED light that goes down the center of the cylinder that grows the plants. So every plant gets the exact same illuminocity radiation of light. So they all grow to the same equivalency pattern. ***Inaudible question*** It is real food. It is real food. How is not real food? You can tweak the nutrient levels for area if you wanna mess with the flavor levels that's fine. If adding a little bit more nitrogen to the air or changing material composition or adding a mineral to it will adjust the flavor then that's fine. So you just tweak the facility to fit different pace factors. So instead of having all the spinach taste the same America can do this flavor and Europe does this flavor and ya know you can spread it around. [Are there special varieties that are growing by country like this?] Yes. Right now there's a selection [Have they actually done this?] The "Omega Gardens" facility is a real business that exists in Canada, in Vancouver. That's where it is placed out The system really does exist, it's growing fruits and vegetables with it already. There is a select number of items that can be hydroponically grown But research is being done to have more and more items grown in that particular fashion it basically saves the soil. You don't need it. And you use 1% of water that would normally be necessary using traditional farming ideas. Because of the technological advancement of the system. I do have a hand out that I will give all of you later or it's also on the USB drive. The USB drive that I handed out? Ok well I do have paper versions and I have links to all of the places that I am talking about. You can actually go and research it and read more about it than I can do in an hour. You had a... [No I was justing saying that it started in Japan actually because] They are using ?? And to provide for the companies And that's where ?? farmings started, as far as I know So they use like unusual spaces to grow their own vegetables for their catering needs An additional part to food is prearranged lifestyle farming using the land freed up after a significant amount of commercial real estate is returned to nature. I want you to think about how many malls banks, and other large scale facilities suck up real estate. If you didn't have a monetary system you wouldn't necessarily have to have those systems in place. You would have distribution centers. You would still have facilities to either go and get the products that you want to have or they can be delivered to you through automated GPS control transportation. Which does exist. I'll get to the transportation in a moment. But the point is that when you return a lot of that land back to nature you no longer have to put cows in little stocks this big. You can let them go back to nature and free range farm and can still be monitored and controlled to a point by technology with swinging gates and rotate the farms so they can eat the grass "here" and you open the gate and they move on to the next set and they can get into a habit. It's a much healthier lifestyle for the animals. They're gonna have much better life through the course of their life span and the nutritional content of the meat. I am a "Meatatarian" I know a lot of the people here at this conference are Vegetarian, but I am not. Now, I will say this, if we can ever synthesize meat where it looks like meat, tastes like meat, and has the nutritional content of meat but we don't have to kill animals to get it. I'm all for it. Go ahead. I'll eat that instead, that's fine. We'll save all the animals. But until then, I like my steak. So this makes with advanced technological systems for monitoring and shepherding as needed and extensive fish farming as opposed to intensive fish farming. There is a link I have provided that goes into a discussion that was actually a TED conference discussion about extensive verses intensive fish farming. And how a gentleman created a fish farm that is symbiotic with nature and is significantly more robust than the current fish farming techniques that they have employed that are more industrialized. So technology doesn't necessarily mean everything's metal and in boxes and things like that it also means how can we use nature as efficiently as possible and still get the same results. Technology doesn't necessarily mean plugging everything in. Water: dissalinization plants, local rain collector facilities, central fuel centers, things of that nature, all exist. Poor nations can't afford them but again, if we get off this monetary trip and realize that we have the natural resources to make these facilities. We have a way to distribute the water from them to many regions. There's no reason what so ever why we shouldn't implement them. An example would be, at NASA 2008 a portable nano mesh creates safer drinking water. I have link to that in the hand out. You guys can research that and see what NASA developed that'll help. [So with dissalinization, you could create safe water?] Out of the ocean, you would suck the water right out of the ocean and a coastal facility and yeah you would bring it right out and clean it up. [Did you see the TED ... Bill Gates standed that water is the biggest cause of conflict in the next century?] Yeah the shortage of water will be kind of a World War 3 thing if it gets out of control I heard that. Let's try and stop that before it happens. [There's also a goes through your drink, shake it, and it goes through the fountain] [and you drink it right away. So there are people who drown in situations with earthquakes.] [We got those bottles to them, if you just drink the water there, you just shake it] [and you can drink it. They don't have to go to the refugee camp.] I forgot about that. That's a good thing, that's another good technology. Basically instant clean water. The technology we have is amazing but most people just don't know that. ***Inaudible mumbling conversing*** Sleep, this comes more easily when the stess and labor requirements are such that adequate sleep is easy to come by. I mean, where a lot of people are working multiple jobs or having to deal with financial issues that just puts them mentally over the bend. And sleep, we might sleep but I don't think a lot of us have "slept" in a really long time. A true, comfortable, deep sleep. Some might, ya know maybe billionaires but I have to say a lot of the percentage of the world isn't sleeping very well. So if we can cover these biological needs. That will help alleviate a lot of those stresses and allow them to have a good night sleep. Medical Care, medical advances are obvious in the 21st century And could be even more robust if done for human advancement instead of for profit. Especially in America the profit based motives for keeping people healthy is counter intuitive, don't ya think? They get paid when you're sick. It should be flipped. If your gonna do it monetarily they should only get paid when you're healthy and when you get sick they have to fix it on their dime. But it doesn't quite work that way (laughs) So, ya know, with cost as a non-factor there's no lack of availability for the advancement of medical care for all people. And also robotics is helping doctors do procedures remotely, if necessary. Better, safer, and with a faster recovery time of the patients and I have links to videos that show this technology, how it works, and the doctors talking about it. So let's look at Abundance Solutions sets for Quality of Life Needs. Shelter: There's a technology called Contour Crafting Is anybody familiar with Contour Crafting? Ok. It's in development right now by a professor at the University of Southern California. He already has a small scale prototype version of it that worked really well. Is anyone familiar with 3D printing? [Yes] Ok. Take that and put it on an industrial scale basically it's a self erecting structure. Here's what you would do: you have a plot of land The machine would drive up, erect itself put itself together and then draw out (it'll have the blue prints, the computerized blueprints in its computer base system) on how the house is supposed to look. You can build the house and wire it and plumb it, a 2000 square foot house in about 24 hours. Alright? Shape memory alloy, now imagine if using the Contour Crafting technology in Haiti after everything fell to pieces. Being able to build a 2000 square foot house in a day? Put up 15 or 20 of these robots and clear off the rubble. Set these things up and ***sound effects***. You're basically cookie-cutting houses for people to get back in. And they're solid, robust, they're made out of advanced concrete mesh materials. They're set up in a way where they would withstand future earthquakes. They can be engineered as such. The professor who is pioneering this technology has a lot of fantastic ideas. But what he lacks is MONEY to do it. So he's having a hard time getting the fundings to build the full large scale size prototypes. Although NASA is interested because you can build a moon base that way too. Especially if it's robotic, you don't have to worry about sending astronauts there. You can build the facility or at least start up a facility, first. Then you would send the astronauts and kinda detail it out after that. [Gravity...] Well I guess it'd be a little easier with the less gravity in most cases. So, Shape Memory Alloys Anybody familiar with what Shape Memory Alloy is? M'kay. Basically, if you had a spring made of this then it would set as a spring first. Then it was cured. you could stretch that thing out, completely destroy it. Bend it, crink it, and everything. Put a blow dryer up to it and it will go right back to being a spring The metal remembers what its initial shape was when it was cured, in that shape. So imagine creating a dome or structured facility that's cured in its final form looking like a house or an establishment. But when you cool it or you pass electricity through it, it actually flattens out. So stack a whole bunch of those on a train system or whatever and you ship it to where ever you need to ship it to. And when you get there you set these things up and you plug them in and they go [jjzzuuuit] and they pop up. Alright. The technology exists. Clothing (and other products) I go back to the 3D printing you can do localized, you can do it in your own house if you have a 3D printer if you saw online a piece of clothing that you liked and you had access to the raw materials you could go, grab the materials, put it in the 3D printing set or whatever the case may be and press the button and it will [ziuziuziu] build that for you. Custom to your size, in fact you could custom tailor every piece of clothing that you want. That fits, everybody's body is different. We have standardized sizes now small, medium, large, whatever. But imagine if you could custom tailor every piece of clothing you had all the way down to your t-shirts. Even your own house or whatever that you like. And it also drastically reduces shipping needs if the only thing you're sending is A blue print, electronically to the computer that then prints out what basically sows together your clothes for you. Plus you could probably invent your own clothes, make up your own stuff. You'd literally be your own stylist, "Ya know I like a little of that and like a little of that so I'm gonna put it together and 'look' I'm my own, ya know." So you need to ship tissues? Hmm? Materials? [Where would you get the materials?] Yeah, that would be the part that you would need to ship but you can do that in mass. [Well if I get a container for my home, I don't know what to do with it] Well no, you would go to the nearest distribution center. Like you would go to "Jo-Ann Fabrics" or "Linens 'n Things" or, I don't know what you guys have in Europe (laughs) but a fabric store and get the fabrics that you want take it home and put it together for you. Education: Internet based education centers that are globally connected can educate humanity has never before possible in human history. We don't really have to, it's good but we don't have to have human physical interaction to educate anymore. We can put computer centers in rural remote parts of the world. And still give them high quality access to advanced educations by experts in the field and world renown professors in the form of video lectures. And as we all know, how many people have been using "Skype" while they've been here to talk to friends and loved ones and stuff? You can do conference calls in the same manner where the professor is on one end and the class is 5 to 10 or whatever, is on the other end. And they can still directly interact and ask questions. So there are no longer geographical limitations thanks to our communication capabilities. To educate the world. And education is one of the most key steps to advance in human civilization anyway. Significantly more teachers might also be available since now their quality of life is not determined by income. How many people do you know or just think of your personal circle or maybe extended circle that would like to be a teacher but they don't do it because it doesn't pay well enough? That they would, ya know, they would really enjoy doing that but they don't. Because it's just not equitable. Where as in the Resource Based Economic System there is no longer a restriction to be that person to be that teacher, and another thing to consider is, how many how many people die everyday from starvation? Imagine how many of those might be Einsteins but we never know it. How many minds have we lost that could of done amazing things. So... Education is a quality of life need that could easily be addressed through advanced communication systems. ... This is a wholistic approach, this isn't a "one shot fix." So let's go to Energy, Clean Energy; I hate burning stuff it's ridiculous; it's the caveman approach to energy systems. You have: Terrestrial Solar, Space Based Solar, Wind, Wave Tidal, Geothermal, Fuel Cell, and Oceanic Thermal Energy Conversion. There is no "'one stop' shop save the world energy set." Where you only do one thing. Not yet anyway, not until we develop some "amazing anti-gravity super generative energy system." But for now, until we learn something new these exist! And the only one that's in test phase would be the Space Based Solar power and the analysis on that was actually done by NASA back in the '60s. As a viable concept but at the time solar cell technology, the satellite would've been huge! It would've been almost impossible to launch. Well now, we're a lot better at getting our satellites smaller and smarter too. Smaller, smarter and our solar cell collection capabilities a lot better as far as efficiency is concerned and weight. So now, you can launch a satellite system. Even if you do two to three launches and build it like "Lego's" up in orbit and make it larger. You can then beam raw energy in a safe microwave form that doesn't care if it's night time, cloudy, rainy, or whatever. To a receiving station and it will... if you put that satellite in geosynchronous orbit above that station you have 24/7/365 constant power, no matter what time of day it is. And no matter where you are in the world. It's portable. The satellite could re-point itself, within a certain region, to all the collection facilities that are in that zone of influence that it can reach. So all it's gotta do is rotate it's axis, just a little bit, and you can recharge the batteries of different cities in a circular pattern. Forever. Or at least until the satellite needs maintenance and you just send up the newest, best technology. But Wind, Wave, Tidal, Geothermal and all the rest of these do exist, in some form or another. And they are getting better. Imagine how much better they would get if money wasn't an obsticle to the research and development of these advanced systems. If there weren't budget issues or concerns or restrictions on making these technologies as robust as possible, using the best materials possible that we have available. [Yeah, but many of these developments that need to be industrialized and many people would do that if they could earn a lot of money.] [And you would have to change human nature] Not Human Nature, I don't believe in Human Nature, I believe in Human Behavior. Human Behavior is a derivative of environment that you live in. So, I would say, this is a Value Change System You have to change the way people think about the world, how they interact with each other "what's more important money or people?"... Right now we cultivate a system where it is better to be a greedy person. And profit over somebody else in expense of somebody else. And that's what we promote and propagate in today's world. There are a few altruistic people who get money and then who turn it back. But we all know the percentage of that is not adequate enough to provide sustainability. So it is a complete value set change and it's not something that would happen over night. It's gonna happen in pockets it's gonna happen in small zones as people start to reduce their dependency on money. And increase their efficiency with technical systems to provide for more people. So that's what the transition, itsy-bitsy, it's a weaning process. The world couldn't handle being dropped into a system like this. Half the people would go schizophrenic and loose their minds Because they wouldn't understand selfless self interest they have only been experiencing selfish self interest. For the dawn of time. Like I said, when I was up on stage this morning throughout the entire course of human history, 300,000 plus million. you go all the way back to Neanderthalic Days we've always lived in scarcity and rival competition to survive as an animal, as a species. People forget that humans are animals we just happen to be the most advanced animal but we're still animals. So scarcity, not having enough, having to fight or compete to survive has been a natural characteristic of mankind. I totally agree. [Is there universal principle in the universe?] Until the universe comes up with..[Inequality [because other wise we wouldn't have galaxies, we wouldn't have stars] [we wouldn't the week] But the galaxies and stars recycle themselves do they not? [To a certain extent until there is no energy left at all.] "Conservation of Energy" does not allow any to create nor destroy energy. [Well we'll be a cold soup of low energy which is not able to take care of things much.] Well maybe 20 billion years in the future but that's a little bit beyond my time. [Yes] (laughs) [It wont happen.... [....and there'll be no atoms, no molecules, and when this is hotter.] Ok but is any of that conscious? [I don't say that human beings can't behave exactly like that but I just want to attract] [your attention that it's the universal principle in the universe otherwise we wouldn't exist.] [It doesn't mean that you can't gradually over time change human behavior, I am saying that] [I just want to attract your attention to it.] Ok. So let's jump over to Transportation, clean transportation, again I don't like setting things on fire just to make them move. UlTra, Electric cars, Robotic GPS driven cars Outdoor mobile sidewalks, I mean we use it in the airport. We love them right, you hop on that and you walk almost twice as fast, And your still walking but "you've got one person there carrying the luggage and you're here and you're ahead of them. Why don't we have that outside? We have the material capabilities to do that. So you would make it out of sun-proof, you wouldn't make it out of rubber unless you had some way to cure it so the sun wouldn't degrade the rubber and cause it to crack and break. You could make it out of carbon fiber materials, you could make it out of something. Now, I'm not a material scientist but I have a lot of believe in the fact that the material scientists team could come together and say "you know exactly what to make that out of so it can last 50 years." And have mobile sidewalks. Maglev Train Systems, locally about 400 mile range for Maglev Train Systems. They're similar to what China is doing. And a lot of Asia is big in the Magnetic Levitation Train System. I wish America was. For some reason, we were really good at inventing amazing technologies but when it came to the maglev train thing it's like we love our cars too much, which makes absolutely no sense. And then you have the Maglev Vacuum Tube Train and I'll go into a little more detail about that. It's a supersonic train, this will be over 400 mile range because if it was any shorter the accelerations to get up to speed and go back down, probably give you a big head ache. So it's a train that can go 2000 miles per hour. 2000+ miles an hour, roughly 4218 kilometers per hour. Non-stop from Berlin to Madrid would be about an hour. Right now it's three hours by plane, that pollutes much more. This is a real technological advancement that exists in model, and in theory, and could exist because analysis's are being done. There's a popular mechanics article in the hand out or if you have the USB drive. It's in my report that I provided for this that talks about exactly how that system work. And there's an entire system, and you could even do it under water you can have it go intercontinental. And it would be basically a floating there's where the shape memory alloys would come into play, So that if things moved it could move with it. And it's a floating train anyway so you're not directly connected to the track. So even if the track did shift a little that's not going to make a lot of difference to the train as it goes by. Because you're not touching the track. The speeds are amazing, the comfort. Imagine 500 person trains instead of a 500 person "cattle car" aircraft. Where the train you actually had a room with a bed. And you were able if you wanted to sleep even though your travel time would be really short you still could sleep or at least relax on this jaunts from New York to LA in an hour and a half or two... Yes? [Is it much more sustainable than the trains that you have now? Because if you change from train system we have now in New York that exists. There is a lot of energy that needs to build a different structure.] Right. [There's a lot of investment of energy] Right, to go into it. Now think about long term. You've got initial investment of energy to convert everything. All of these systems could be solar or wind powered. So you would have the track, all along the track would have solar, wind power stations. In the long run, these systems would last 50,60,70.. and right now you've got to expand energy anyway to maintain the trains that you've got, to maintain the track that you've got. If you were to switch it over that maintenance actually drastically drops. And it's a more sustainable long lasting technology. So in the long run or the long term the energy investment would be less because eventually it powers itself. And you don't have to put anything into it because it's a clean energy powered system. So after you build it once, you're affectively done until you come to small maintenance and things of that nature. [Does it have any affect or does the climate have any affect on it. Say if you're in a cold country or a warm country.] As far as expanding and contracting of the tracks and things of that nature? No because it's in a vacuum tube it's actually completely isolated from the environment. So the tube would however x meters thick and it would be an insulated environment. So no matter what's going on outside. that train always experiences the same low vacuum level. Now I'm not talking about hard vacuum like space. Just enough of the vacuum to where you can achieve those speeds without creating so much friction on the skin of the train where ya know it heats up like space shuttle re-entry, or something like that. Ya know we don't have to worry about putting heat shields or anything on the system. What you wanna get is as many air molecules out of the way as possible, or gone, so that the train can achieve those speeds using as little energy as possible. And the analysis would be done to make that happen. Yes? [In the example where she was saying about energy that would..and the cost] [to move from the standard train to Maglev Vacuum Tube.] [Japan is the country who came with the Maglev which is in place now] [and they are choosing not to change Maglev because they have already put the whole system throughout Japan.] [And the cost to put the Maglev now could be too great, that's what they're saying. So, they have the system, but what they're doing they're only selling to other countries instead of using it themselves.] And it's a cost issue to go back to financing again. So we're not, you can't..Notice how we always go back to cost. We're not talking about capability, we're not talking about resource availability we're not talking about knowledge and human ability and ingenuity. We always come back to, cost. That should lead a red flag in your head. [There are only but three systems in the real world right now even if they're Maglev] True.. [I worked with examples and studies in vacuum tubes... ??? and it needs a lot of energy] [and a lot of hassle to keep the tube from..] [Where as from Berlin to Madrid and where is to go the energy bar, the energy balance?] Well to be honest that would have to be analyzed, I cant give you that answer. I don't know. But whatever it.. [Just wondering...] No, don't know that. [Rough figures] No, I don't give rough figures I only give the facts that I know. I am ok with saying "I don't know." I'm humble enough to know I don't know everything. I'm just giving you something to think about. And so, the Maglev Tube Train is a viable technology that does need further research. It got to a point but further costs would of cost a trillion dollars to do,so, they put that on the back burner. Well, if money was no object, you could have the scientists and research 'til you really develop and solve those problems overcome those challenges, figure out, "well maybe we need to put vacuum pumping stations every mile, small ones so that they all work together and they'll have their own solar power facility and wind power facility. So they can run themselves all independent of each other." So there are ways to overcome those challenges if we actually put the brain power to it. [If you didn't have to spend all their money in Washington] Right [or Arms Race] Yeah. If you didn't waste so many resources on the missiles, tanks, bombs, and guns you can actually put it towards, this. Couldn't be an end to what we could do. Now you have links for every single one of these technologies in the hand out. So you can actually go and see how these work, what it's all about. All these transportation systems. [Will you have them on the internet also?] I could probably post the report online. I'm sure I can get it on The Venus Project website. I really didn't think about that. Communication. We all pretty much know how this one works. We use it all the time nowadays. You've got your Satellite Communication, Smart Phones, and your Internet. That happens to be the system we have adopted in abundance in a way. The only problem is third world nations don't really have it. Not as much as I would like for them to communicate. So after the Abundance Solutions Sets are implemented what are you left with? Sound Mind & Social State Personal Purpose: Given that one is no longer restricted by a lack of educational opportunity, in other words "Oh I can't afford to go to school to be this, whatever I want to be." That's no longer a road block. They are free to learn and pursue whatever passions they like. You literally "be whatever you want to be when you grow up." There's no restriction that says "well I want to do this but that's not going to help me live so I'm gonna do this instead." And treat that as a hobby You make your passion and your hobby what you do for a living. And as you grow, and learn, and change, if you want to change your hobby and do something else then do something else. There's no financial ramification, no negative aspect to changing your mind. And in doing something different that you would still find appealing. Since that living conditions are no longer based on what they do for 'work'. You're no longer defined by your job, how you live, by your job. They are considerably more stress free and strong with a sense of purpose and self fulfillment. Anybody who would disagree with that? There are social studies that have basically proved this case that if you better the environment you better the people. They become healthier, the become more alert, they enjoy life a lot more they laugh. You have more free time to hang out with your family... Yes? [What about depressions?] Depressions? [You have people in that country gets.....] [Poor countries for example commit more often suicide..] Right. [Obesity] Or obesity. [Yeah] [Right] Those would drift away as well. What are those, in current society, what are those stresses driven by? Keeping up with the "Joneses", making sure you've got your business running all the stresses in managing the finances, keeping the competition at bay. Instead of collaborating and working together and making the best possible product you can. You're competing against each other and hording resources and putting up walls. So that's a mental stress, constantly having to defend. [That's not the only reason. I mean maybe it's going well, maybe I feel useless and I get depressed, and maybe commit suicide. There's not many relations between human beings as we all in said.] Right. [For example education is going to be over internet so there are no people I can talk to, I can touch or I can just, no one who can hug me.] There would be your local community, you would still have your local community. Which would be more tight-knit because now everybody doesn't have to work 40 to 50 hours a week. They can be together more often as a family unit, as a community unit. And the education over the internet thing I don't want you to think that would be the only way. That would be an option until you can get people there. I'm just saying that an educational opportunity through the internet is an option for people who don't have access to a real teacher, yet. And hopefully we'd be able to get somebody there for that live visible interaction. I've taken online courses and live courses and there is a huge difference between the two. Especially when you're going through an engineering curriculum. So I prefer live because you can interact with the teacher and what not but the internet at least is an option in the mean time it's a stopgap so that they don't just sit there doing nothing. Then you at least get some kind of system. As far as depression, sometimes there are just chemical imbalances and you can't predict you can't deal with. This isn't a Utopian construct. What this is saying is we have developed technologies to make life better but there's no such thing as perfect. I hate that word Utopian especially because a lot of people use it as an attack word. "You're talking Utopian!" Well first of all, what's wrong with Utopian anyway wouldn't that be nice? But even though it's impractical to understand the only constant in the universe is change. Things are always changing, we are always growing developing, learning new things. Coming up with different ideas and better ways to conduct life and ourselves. So what matters is the tool box that you have. Do you have a tool box that restricts you and does not allow you to grow and develop? Or do you have a tool box that allows you and actually encourages you to grow and develop. And deal with those problems. Can you handle everything? No. Even if you lived in a city where all of this was available there still might be a few people who would just snap and kill someone. Why? Probably chemical reasons because you know it's not environmental reasons. Nowadays we don't know if a person is messed up in the head because their chemically imbalanced. Are they messed up in the head because something happened to them as a kid? Their environment was bad or they're living now in a bad environment? Or is it a combination of the two? The bad environment gave them a chemical imbalance. So, there's too many variables in that. If you at least better the environment as well as you can you've at least reduced that variable almost to a negligible point. So now the odds are somebody does snap and do something wrong that's because they were genuinely chemically imbalanced. And hopefully there will be signs and ways to notice those and get them to doctors to help them which we don't really do now. People who are mentally sick we throw them in prison. We don't do anything with them, we don't try to rehabilitate them or figure out what was the biological reason for them behaving that way. Although most crimes are economic not anything else. In fact, about 85% of the people in prison are in there for an economic related crime. Theft, burglary, things of that nature. [I think they do that, I mean my father was a psychiatrist at Berlin hospital and he has been dealing with what you are mentioning ever since the '60s. So they are dealing with such problems. Even those in prison they have psychiatrists to talk to them and understand what is their problem] Would you say most prisons do or just a few? [I think it wasn't a few.] Ok [By the way, the nature sometime it has been compact all the biological issues. Like those people doesn't have much life especially of the Northern Areas they get depressed and maybe the ratio of the maximum number of those who commit suicide comes from these environments.] Yeah [So, Yeah.] I agree with that, in fact one of the things that Heather mentioned earlier was sunlight and stuff like that and how that can affect personality. [I think that the ratio of danger even with water with ??, sometimes we see strong ?? those who are always, everyday, they go outside and they walk and they swim they go climbing mountains, in addition to their life problems.] Absolutely, and in a system where abundance exists and you have more free time. You could go hiking and biking and be outside. You're not restricted to be in this. Try not to think of the future as this cold "Hollywood" drama system. It doesn't have to be that way it can be beautiful, colorful, organic. More free time to go out, go outside and play. [One more thing, that resupplies most of the prophets?? They used to go to caves in nature and they have their own time with themselves with nature to be inspired. We've noticed this in most of the prophets, by the way.] Right. [It's a phenomenon that has to be studied.] Humans have a symbiotic connection with the planet. We really are. We're creatures on this world sharing it with other creatures. We need to get back to that. We, in The Venus Project, do not advocate reverting to a primitive state of living to accomplish that. But using advanced technology to provide abundance for the globe and give ourselves free time to go do that. There's a difference between the two concepts. So that's where we're coming from. To use what we've invented with our fabulous brains in helping the entire world have that capability and that free time. Recreation: Given costs are no object, recreation of all forms are readily available for all, all the time. So, you want to go to the opera in "Sydney" you can. Whenever you want. You don't have to worry about paying for the ticket. Or any of that. Now some people would spend a lot of time traveling the world. A lot of people ask what would motivate people. I don't know if I've put it in this handout or not. There's a lecture by Daniel Pink, on a "TED" conference that talks about the fallacy that money is a motivator. That that's not really the case. Money motivates maybe mechanical robotic tasks that a person would do. If you paid them more they can handle it faster. But it's actually the complete opposite when it comes to creative thinking thinking and abstract thought. The more pressure there is for more money to do the job faster the worst they actually perform. Because it's a restriction, it's a mental block. Like "oh if I don't think of this idea or I don't do this I'm not going to get paid this particular amount of money." You don't have to worry about that stress. Your mind is more free to process in a different way then it does with that monetary stress acted system. It was actually very surprising to the scientists, they didn't expect that at all. They did it in America and thought "maybe that was an anomaly" so they did it in Europe, the exact same thing happened. So there's just this connection that we have. People would be motivated to work on what they enjoy and have freedom to recreate, as they wish. Thanks to advanced transportation global travel is easy, fast and convenient. Did I hear somebody? [Yes] [I think luxury will be eliminated. We cannot travel in luxury or have luxurious apartments for everybody.] Well the word "luxury" would lose its meaning. Everybody would have... [There would probably be some limit.] The only limit would be the natural carrying capacity of the earth's resources. And that's a limit we are dealing with now. The earth is finite. We only have so much stuff on this rock. So the only real limit to human growth and what we're capable of providing for humanity are the natural limits of the earth. No matter what kind of ego a human may have, anybody has you're not going to win that battle with the earth. She is going to win every single time. So what we have to do is develop a system that measures and accounts for the entire resources of the planet and tries to figure out the best, most equitable way to manage those resources. So that it is efficiently used. So the primary restriction would be nature and what nature provides you. Not what a politician says, not what you can afford but, what nature says is possible. And when we run into a challenge when we don't have enough resources or something to that affect that's when innovation, ingenuity, science, and technology comes into play. Says "ok how do we overcome this challenge?" How do we develop a new system to use what we've got better so that we can provide? The goal is always to try and provide for everyone. It's selfless self interest. That's doing more for others. As a science geek, I can instantly go to asteroid mining. Which is a viable technological option. One asteroid one average sized asteroid in the asteroid belt has more iron ore on it than every amount of iron that's ever been mined in the history of humanity. Alright? Think about that for a second. One asteroid has more on it than everything we've ever mined. Think of all the buildings you see and the skyscrapers and all the metal that we've used throughout the course of human history. Nothing compared to that. And we can go and get that. We have the technical capability to go and do that. First it'd be small but as we invested proper brain power and ingenuity into it, it'd become a more robust system. [Yeah, I think the only problem is that nature gives us deadlines.] Deadlines? [Yeah, basically if we don't act fast in relation to what's happening now.] Right. Nature does give us deadlines, like George Carlin says "the planet is going to be fine it's humans that are screwed." The planet's been around for 4 billion years and it'll be around until the sun expands and vaporizes it. So what matters is what are we going to do to ensure that we maintain a positive symbiotic relationship with this spaceship when we're ready. The arts become robust and plentiful, since artists at heart no longer have to set aside their talents and passion so they work an unfulfilling job just to pay the bills and live a decent life. Imagine what the arts would be like around the world if all the artists were able to "come out of the woodwork" and share their passions with the world. The music, the paintings, the sculptures anything I haven't even thought of yet. My wife is an artist and I can just imagine what she would come up with if she didn't have financial restrictions. Community: With such a positive living condition and a significant amount of time available the social creature known as the human being is free to interact and enjoy their community. Family, friends, colleagues and the world's people are at their finger tips available to learn from and to grow and share the joys of life with. NO Utopias I know I touched on this already but the conversation lead that way. There are always going to be problems to address and ways to improve. That's how we get better. That's how we become more sustainable. That's how we grow and advance and expand as a species. I go back to Proper Tools. In the Space Shuttle program, it's a very unique vehicle. You can't just go to the "Sears" store and get a crescent wrench or some kind of tool and go work on every aspect of the shuttle. [So, have you been out of the earth, have you reached space?] Have I? No I'm not an astronaut. I just work with the Space Shuttle program. I want to though. With the Space Shuttle sometimes we have to develop our own special tools to handle whatever problem there was. Virtually, the space program has the toolbox. Its setup, its function as a toolbox allows them to create their own tools. They have that in the budget, they have the availability to do so. So our society needs a better toolbox. It's Emergent Society vs. Established Society Throughout the course of human history we have always set up Established Societies. Hunter gatherers, that's an established society. Agricultural, that's an established society. Then you have political establishments. Monarchies, Democracies your establishments that are set up. What they don't do, by the way I'm a total fan of democracy but in this particular case it'd be more of a direct democracy. No longer electing political officials to speak for you. You are given all of the information freely and are able to making informed decisions. Which doesn't really happen today for a lot of people. They are not paying attention. They are told what they should think instead of learning what they should think. So you have an Emergent Society vs. an Established Society. The Emergent Society basically means that it loves change. It thrives on change, it wants people to invent the next best thing. It wants somebody to make an old bad system obsolete. So the better system can be put into place. An established system wants to keep things the way they are. Status quo, "we're good enough." There's no such thing as "good enough." There's always ways to improve. And that is all. Does anybody have any additional questions? [Waste management.] Waste management. That's going to get a lot deeper than what I planned for but let me see if I can summarize it. We do a terrible job now of recycling, reusing, and managing the resources from the products that we make. We give a lot of lip service to "oh we recycle" We don't really do it on a robust intensive level like we should. That would be inherently a part of this system. So I guess you have to redefine what is waste. And what you produce in the first place so it doesn't become waste. It all matters the materials you make products out of how sustainable, how long lasting are they. Do you make a product like today that breaks in 3 or 4 months so they can sell you the new item? Or facilitate the revenue for their service departments so you have to call them and send a technician out which costs 70 dollarsto fix this thing when it would have been nice to just build it right the first time. And made it from the most high tech, strong, robust materials possible. So that toaster can last 300 years. That toaster would cost a thousand dollars in today's world. But in a Resource Based Economy the only thing it costs is the resources it needed to make it and the automated systems that were initially in place. There might be an energy cost But if you're running solar, wind, clean natural energy systems that's negligible over the long haul. Basically as long as the sun exists. As long as Geothermal exists which is the life of the planet. And the life of the star. So waste management is a very complex issue because you're going to redefine what is waste. But you're also at the same time going to redefine how you're going to make stuff, how long you design it to last. Technically speaking if you have garbage there will be automated systems that will come and pick it up for you. Like you would still do the drop it off by the curb kind of thing but actually you wouldn't have to do that if it was designed properly. You could have vacuum shoots in your house where you drop it in and it sucks it down in a tube and drives it to a waste facility where they would recycle and basically collect, separate, and manage as much as possible. Now that's just an option to think about. The engineers that would design that and the city would do whatever is best for the terrain, materials available the resources they have on hand. So that's the dynamics for the issue based on research. [What about nuclear waste?] -I wouldn't see much of a use for nuclear power in the first place. All the energy systems I mention can cover the world many times over. If they were actually implemented in a robust manner. You wouldn't need nuclear power facilities anymore. [We still have a lot of waste.] We do and that's going to go away over time. It's going to have to stay where it is right now. But you would be able to stop making more. Ok so they're already thinking about how to deal with that Ok. I don't have all of it so it's letting other people contribute because now you get an idea of what's out there. There's a significant technological potential to make life a lot better on this planet. [You mentioned management would be some kind of computer system which takes account of all resources. And some kind of planned economy, where everything is productive planned and sustainable.] Right. It's statistical analysis on an engineering level. The computer systems would know the population of the city and statistics would tell you how many visitors you get per year and when the peaks are. So the systems would know when to slow down production when to increase production. Think about traffic patterns in your city when you drive around. There is a computer governing how long those lights stay green or stay red Like LA has a big one, a massive control facility. The computer knows when traffic's heavy when it's light and then it shifts the traffic patterns and it does this organically. It kind of senses and feels and it does this as it goes. So that would be the same kind of system that would manage the majority of the facilities. A lot of it's autonomous you wouldn't even notice it was going on but it would constantly be providing based on the population set up of a city. It would be responsible to maybe do a census every year of the city just to know how many people are living there now. So that the system can adjust production accordingly. And work with other city systems but as simple as going online and pressing the button and "ok you counted me" and off and do your thing. [I was thinking, we started talking about abundance and as you finished up I was thinking about this abundance would also mean that there would be a very great population.] Right. [Which would also be in abundance.] You are thinking about population size? [Yes.] OK. [I was thinking how does your science projection what is the connection with efforts? Especially there would be grown ups a lot of grown ups and the young ages. For example, I noticed here that some of the elderly people were not the same. That the young people Can you just let me know what is the connection between ethics and morals and this science project.] That's a touchy subject because that gets into faith and what people believe in and what's right and wrong and things of that nature. For the record, I'm an atheist so I don't really have a lot of faith based... [But you're human as well.] Yes. I believe there is a way to treat people ya know There is a right and a wrong way to treat people. So, I guess I would have to say if you create a better environment where people are more happy and productive in what they feel is a positive move in their life I would have to think that the social interactions would also be positive. So it would be a natural ethics. It would be an organic ethics of "life is good I don't have a reason to be mean or misbehave towards anybody because I don't gain anything from it. In today's world you gain stuff from being bad to other people. But in this particular system there's no advantage to behaving that way. It's also a reflection of education. How are people taught? Are they taught to possess things to possess people and things of that nature. Or are they taught to be ya know relaxed. Not worry so much about the negativity, be more positive. It's a reflection of our culture our propaganda our media how we educate and push society. In this system it would be constantly reinforced to help, to be kind. That's part of the mantra. [Empathy.] Empathy. Empathy for others being able to feel others and... [Homo-Empathicus] "Homo-Empathics" yes I like that. That's a very fluid question that you ask because I can't predict what people in the future are going to behave like. We can see the indicators of how people might behave but I cannot predict the future. The only thing I can say is we have the capability to make a better world. It's up to us, after the systems are in place to work together with each other to make sure we maintain a positive social environment for ourselves. [On the transport section I didn't see a mention of teletransportation. Are you a believer in that? Because they already transported atoms.] I didn't have teleportation. [No you didn't.] No. Oh do I believe in that! [Yeah] -You mean like Star Trek beam me up Scotty? To a point but the phazing of the... I'm not going to get into all that. Right now, no. But I'll never say never. If that's not too moronic but I'll never say never. Molecules and especially proteins and stuff are so complicated that a system to be able to regenerate that at a distance and get all the electrons in the right place. We're doing good to do one. Ya know, proton or whatever it was but that's one not over a very large distance. The moment they could do a piece of paper or something like that I'll be impressed. So, do I think it's possible? Sure why not? Do I know how long? 100 years, 200 years, 1,000 years? I have no idea but I don't put anything past us. I think we can. We've already proven it's possible at least on the nano level, on the atomic level. So, if we can expand that technology sure maybe we can do that. [I love the whole idea and everything I already believe in and bursting the bubble on new wave movement. But we've spoken about obesity, we've spoken about cancers we've spoken about population, and we've spoken about needing a Medical Care. As opposed to what I think more necessary to find a Health Care. But anyway, what I was wondering is whether in all this these substances that we'll be creating where we would live. When I think of space I think of plastic and synthetic and all the rest that I know. NASA's done a whole lot of work -?- which is really brilliant. But what would be the kind of basis on which this is all built? Because if it is built on chemicals and synthetics you may have a natural population control. You may get rid of the diabetes.] It's hard to address the extremes 'cause I don't know. [Is it plastic-synthetic or is it natural?] No, it's as natural as it can be. The whole purpose is to revert back to nature but yielding technology to do it. So it's not living in plastic bubbles. Anything that would be invented or used there would be real analysis on its long term affects. There would be 5 year studies, 10 year studies on any new materials on how it would affect people. "Would it be a carcinogen?" "Would that be bad?" and "what are we wasting now on this thing?" [Is NASA doing that now?] Not my department. I know they build a lot of materials for research. whether or not they do the research to the human element like how is that going to affect people. I do not know. Ok I'll see if I can find anybody I can talk to about that. The Glenn Research Center would do stuff like that. [We've just recently formed urbanized planet. Which is like the more of the world's population lived in urban settlements. It just like happened that you would have abundance in this world. Would you see the world move into a more rural settlement? And if so, how would that affect transport like the Maglev Trains A more frugal world and decentralized transport systems.] Well that's why you have the other Maglev Train the other version of it. So one would be long distance between major cities across the planet. [Would there be any need for major cities? The main role in major cities is to go to work. If there's no need to work there's no need for major cities.] Ok I see what you're saying. So what's the purpose of cities? Would there be cities? Because... [You need money for it.] I guess. I would say, yes there would be and here's why. The cities would be the regional production hubs. They would be their area that would be doing all the food manufacturing all the product creation, making TVs. Everything's localized. There's no more "this is produced in Japan and is shipped around the world." Every city produces, every city has the blueprints and has the facilities to build it's own needs. Of that technology what ever that is. So it's all regional, so your cities are your hubs. Now, you're under no obligation to live in the city. The technology can go over the world. So if you want to live in the woods a little bit but still have the technological abundance. You might have to travel more to go and get the stuff at the distribution center. That's a choice you have to make. If you lived in the city, directly, it's at your finger tips. But that's the decisions people make today. Do they want to live urban, do they want to live tropical do they want to live in the woods? [So you have a future world of abundance. In a way like city states?] Right. Each city is it's own government in a way. There's no more national governments. There's definitely no global New World Order nonsense. None of that either. We actually get attacked with that a lot. "You want one world government!" No, actually, I want no government. Well at least not on that level. I want to reduce it. We are not Communism, we are not Socialism we're not any "ism" that's ever been developed. Now, we might grab bits and pieces from certain political ideologies. We're grabbing the Democracy bit. Ya know, we want that part. There's good and bad in all the system. You also got to look at when the old systems were developed. There wasn't the capability to do what we can do today. So they could only do it for their state or their nation. They really couldn't do it for the world. So there's a big hole in the capabilities. Where as now we can. So we grab the best bits and use technology to help cover the rest. [The human emotion would be taken out when making decisions.] Right, if you got technology helping produce and create you're no longer dependent on politicians or other people with emotional bias. Ya know, making this decision for you. That they might not even make a decision that you like. And statistics show as the population gets more informed you get a fifty-fifty split. Just look at America with the Republicans and the Democrats. It's basically fifty-fifty down the nation. Think about flipping the coin. You flip a coin enough times it ends up being a fifty-fifty split. Well that's what we've gotten to our political fifty-fifty split. On every issue because it's all opinion. I'm right you're wrong, two sides we're done. It's bipolar madness! In order to get past that you really do need to take people out of the loop and eliminate those biases on things that matter the most to existence. To the food, shelter, clothing, production of items and things of that nature. The only governance would be... I hesitate to say guilds or what ever because it all depends on how it would come together. We still need to progress with the idea. If you need to build a bridge because there's a necessity the engineers that would be responsible for that would find out: "Do you have the resources to pull that off?" "Is it available? Is it viable? Is it gonna serve a positive need?" There are statistical analysis to do that. It's not based on opinion but it's based on data and fact. And then you arrive at a decision you don't just make a decision. You arrive at one with proper analysis. [Don't you have the scientists that believe that the analysis and statistic can be manipulated.] Yes it can and I would say that that is a byproduct of the system we live in now, not true science. Because think of how the scientists get their funding. They get their funding by promoting a certain view point. So that you can skew the data. That's why I laugh at that global warming debacle. When some scientists are saying one thing and the others are saying other things. Well of course they are, they're funded to say this and they're funded to say that. So now get rid of that and be scientists! And stop being profit motivated. They're motivated to say that because they have to pay the rent too. They have to feed their family, they're doing what they have to do to maintain their job, to live. Where as if they could eliviate that from their mind set and be true scientists. They will arrive at the right answer. And not a biased one because of some outside influence. [What do you believe about global warming?] Turn off the camera. I don't necessarily believe that we have had such a large impact as we have been led to believed. We still don't know a lot about the giant ball of flame in the sky. How it behaves and what it does. We've only been studying the sun for, what? 100 years maybe... They did it in earlier times but they just noticed sun spots but they didn't understand plasma dynamics of the solar rotating "sphereoid." We don't know what we don't know. About the sun. It's been around for a very long time and we don't know what it's cycles may be. We don't know if it has billion year cycles because we're not around long enough. Our snap shot is so small. So how do we know we're having such a major impact? Now, do I believe that we are having an impact? Yes. You can see it and that makes sense but are we having a catastrophic instantaneous, after a hundred just a few hundred years of industrialization? I don't think so. But that's just me. [How do you save our small planet from deprivation. Not global warming, but what we are causing.] Planet deprivation. [That's what we're causing. Not global warming.] [You mean depletion of resources?] [Huh?] [But we still have to deal with the issue. I think that is the issue.] [It's regardless of whether we're doing it or not we still have to deal with the issue. The issue is not the question is this... It's not what can we do to change it? That's what it's all about.] And that's why I don't really get into the global warming debate. Because I'm like "ya know what, whether we are or not..." Personally, I think we don't know enough about the sun to make a judgement that says, to influence political laws and stuff that force people to live a certain way. I don't think we have enough knowledge yet. Either way though, we still need to do everything we can to be as sustainable and clean as possible. To live on a clean, green, beautiful world. So irregardless of what the cause is, ya know? It would be interesting if we did implement all this and we were still going up, then what would the argument be? If the temperature's were still rising. Then it would be a solar issue that we were arrogantly ignoring. Thinking that we, as humans, are just the best thing ever and "oh by the way" all of our bad stuff is destroying the planet. There's a lot of ego involved, I think, in that topic. I don't think it's a relevant topic. I think the relevant topic is be clean do the right thing. As fast as you could possibly do it. Right we should try to control the variables that we can control. I'll buy that. And I'd go a step further to say if they're going to in act policies they should in act policies that don't care about financial costs they just do what's right. Good luck having that happen! [Yeah, one step at a time, yeah.] [I'd like to get back to The Venus Project. I think that the main part that I see is that the person with abundance should feel it is enough.] Because today our world is based on "I should have more than my neighbor, then I'm successful."] Right. [And here you have exactly the same and this should be enough. So therefore I see the main part of this is should be elaborated in the educational system. How do you get to the human, who is enough with what he has.] That's a long term process. One of the things that The Venus Project is trying to do is eventually build a test city of about 50,000 people. At least half of it if not a little more mainly scientists, engineers to basically tweak and work out the bugs of all the technical systems. But what we want to do is improve what we're saying. The Scientific Method is what drives the whole concept of The Venus Project. It's The Scientific Method for social concern. We apply The Scientific Method to the invention of our great technologies. What we don't apply that same logic (that has been so successful) to our social systems. What is that philosophy? You have an Observation, you Create a Hypothesis or theory or idea on how to solve that problem what ever that Observation showed you and then you do an Experiment, get Data and Analyze it and try to improve. Think about science, science is never satisfied with it's answers. It's always trying to poke a hole in itself. Talk about a lack of ego. Gravity, we're always trying to punch at it to see if we can break it. Science is always trying to break what it thinks it knows so that it can advance even further. Or if nothing else it will spend it's time constantly reinforcing what it says is true until it breaks. Then it modifies and changes. If we could conduct our society that way: We Observe, run a Hypothesis, we run an Experiment we create a Solution set and then we continue. We don't say "ok that's good" and walk off. We continue to poke at it to make it better. Can you imagine how awesome this world would be? If we used The Scientific Method for Social Concern. That's what we're basically driving at. -We'll be moving from hording to sharing. -Right. It's tea time is it not?

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Duration: 1 hour, 36 minutes and 4 seconds
Country: Switzerland
Language: English
Producer: Douglass Mallette
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Posted by: ltiofficial on Nov 16, 2010

Douglas Mallette presents the Venus Project. This lecture was shot during the Initiatives of Change Conference on the 6th of August 2010 in Caux(CH).

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