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SpaceVidcast Episode #016

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(dramatic music) Welcome to SpaceVidcast episode 016, for July 17th aught eight. I'm Benjamin Higginbotham with me is the beautiful and wonderful and talented Cariann. (Cariann) Hi. (Ben) And um...that's it. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) That's the whole intro. (Cariann) It's us. (Ben) Yup, there you go. (Cariann) There we are. (Ben) Yup, everyone is all like we've been on television a little bit. We've been on Twin Cities Live. We've been on the radio and all this fun jazz. Everyone is all like oh wow it's all great. Yeah no it's just us. (Cariann) (laughter) (Ben) Right here, it's all we do. Sit in front of this thing. Yup. Alright, well actually I'm going to start off with a blast from the past. (Cariann) (gasps) Blast from the past? What? (Ben) Dadadum! In episode 002 we talked about XCOR. (Cariann) Yes. (Ben) And XCOR is a... (Cariann) (laughter) (Ben) XCOR. And they're making a... (Cariann) You know what that reminds me of? (Ben) No, what? (Cariann) (laughter) I'm sorry guys this is totally random. It reminds me of 'The Three Amigos'. You know like... (Together) (laughter) (Cariann) That's never mind see. (Ben) XCOR. (Carainn) Yeah I don't know why. Ok, anyway. Moving on. (Ben) Um, I totally lost my train of thought. So XCOR. We kind of said they're building a vehicle that's going to go into space. It's going to kind of compete with the Virgin Galactic. (Cariann) Right. It's a little bit, it's a little bit different. It's the Lynx - L-I-N-X is how I think you pronounce it. And we kind of said...they said they are going to do it by 2010 and we were like...yeah no way. (Cariann) Good luck with that. (Ben) No way, absolutely not. Well on Vio today, we actually got a comment and I wanted to throw that comment over here. Check this out. (Cariann) Alright. (Ben) It says 'You suggest that it is far-fetched that XCOR will be flying the Lynx by 2010. You are not qualified to make this statement... (Cariann) (laughter) nor is the...nor is it fair. Without mentioning XCOR's two prior rocket powered crafts (the EZ-Rocket and Rocket Racing), their world records for rocket flights, their 1,000 hours of rocket testing, nor their work for DARPA, Air Force and DARPA". There are two DARPA's in there, but hey whatever... (Cariann) (laughter) I wrote it exactly as he typed it, I don't make this stuff up. (Cariann) Whew!! (Ben) "You are making an amateur prognosis." (Cariann) Prognosis? I think that my favorite part is "amateur prognosis". Well and I wanted to highlight on that, I wanted to talk about that a little bit because we don't work for NASA, we don't work for XCOR, we don't work for Virgin Galactic and we're amateurs. (Cariann) We are amateurs. (Ben) Absolutely, we, we... (Cariann) Way to get that one right. (Ben) We enjoy space travel and spaceflight and think it's something that is very important for the future survival of the human species. And that having said that because I'm a space enthusiast and because I like to follow all of this stuff, I've paid attention to this stuff for years. And I've lurked in forums and participated in forums and all that other fun jazz. And as such you kind of get a good feeling for how long some of this stuff takes. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) You know how much money it takes to do these things. And I'm...you look at what Virgin Galactic is doing with SpaceShipTwo and how long it's taken for them to get there. It's not just a rocket that makes a space faring vehicle. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) We need that whole thing around it, you have to pressurize it or your blood starts to boil. And right? That's bad. You've got to pressurize it, you've got to make sure that it is safe. You've got to make sure that it actually circuit itself into low Earth orbit. Part of that is the rocket, but part of that is the vehicle itself. And I still do not believe XCOR can pull this off by 2010. Now having said that, I hope I'm wrong. I absolutely hope I'm wrong because... (Cariann) Oh, absolutely. (Ben) Competition is nothing but good. I would love to see XCOR do it. (Cariann) There is no wood around here, but I would knock on it if there was any. (Ben) Well this is woodish. I'd love to make a bunch of private companies go in and have this stuff go. (Cariann) Absolutely, absolutely. (Ben) But I think it was a harsh comment. I mean they clearly... (Cariann) It was kind of an amateur prognosis, if you ask me. The commenter pulled no punches and I didn't add the commentators name on there because... (Cariann) Yeah, no of course. (Ben) It was a harsh comment, but there was a little bit of truth to it. (Cariann) Mhuh. (Ben) I didn't give them a analysis otherwise. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) I didn't say "look they've already got these rockets going". And actually there is some pretty cool video of the rockets, if you go to Space.com and I think if you search for XCOR. You can actually see one of them just light...it is amazingly cool. (Cariann) Yeah. (Ben) I didn't mention that, but I really don't think...I think we talked about this in episode 002, I just really don't think XCOR can pull it off in time. I certainly hope that they can and we're going to be continuing to watch it and see if we can't get out there by 2010. And if they can let's broadcast from there. Yeah, absolutely. (Ben) As Fox mentioned, isn't it in the intro? I do believe it is. It's the... (Cariann) Yeah, but computer graphics and and real things are not quite the same. (Ben) That's correct. I haven't actually seen... (Cariann) (laughter) (Ben) I haven't actually seen the shell of the spaceship yet. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) Like SpaceShipTwo, they've got a shell that's completed Haven't even seen that yet. And SpaceShipTwo's not flying until 2010 and they are just at shell process. And XCOR is not even there yet. (Cariann) Right, right. So I call shenanigans. I appreciate the comment, I appreciate the feedback, even if it is harsh. But I just really don't believe that they can make it go. But only time will tell 2010 is right around the corner. It's a year and a half away. Don't forget that. We only have a year and a half to make this thing go. Yeah, yeah. That's not nearly as much time as people think it is. On that note I think it's time to start some Space News. (Cariann) What? (Ben) Insert into here. (Cariann) (laughter) And inro. (Ben) What do we got? (whispers) "space news." (Cariann) Alright, so...ok, lame, super-lame. (Ben) Alright. (Cariann) Don't ever do that again. (Ben) I'll never do that again. (Cariann) Alright, so knowing me I like to look for the quirky things in space news. There's a lot of stuff out there going on about Mars and all of the water... or the land masses and ditches and valleys and all that fun stuff that pretty much says that we found water on Mars or that there used to be water on Mars. But pretty much everyone has seen and heard that before, so I go for the weird things. Such as - "NASA Needs Urine". (Ben) (laughter) (Cariann) Yes, you heard me right. They need pee. And they need a lot of it. They need 30 liters a day. And apparently that is...that's enough for...something ridiculous like 80 people going every single day, every day of the week kind of thing. And they have to collect it and they have to bring it in to the guys. And why do they need this? They it because the filtration system on the Orion, which is coming out...oh and we have a picture. (Ben) Pictures, yeah! (Cariann) (laughter) Yeah, thankfully it's not for drug testing. For Orion the urine needs to be stored and dumped. And apparently urine contains some solids and dissolved minerals and what have you. And that can kind of get stuck, if you will, in the machinery. (Ben) Ok, makes sense. (Cariann) In the processing of it. So in order for us to really be committed to going back to the Moon and recycling as much as possible, we need new devices. And they have to be designed ans they have to be tested. And apparently anything that is simulated - no go. (Ben) Hrmm. (Cariann) It's just simply not the same. You just can't make it. (Ben) So they need pee? (Cariann) They need real urine. Absolutely. And...(laughter) it's just a wee effort. Anyhow. So... (Ben) Oh, really? (Cariann) it wasn't me! (Ben) Did you prepare that? (Cariann) No, no, no! Actually that's Bad Astronomy. Thank you Bad Astronomy for that. (Ben) Oh man. Oh man. (Cariann) (laughter) Anyhow, but really... I would give them mine if they cared, but they don't care so. I'm just saying. (Ben) Let's move on from the pee. (Cariann) Alright, so another kind of odd story if you will. A French flight attendant had won the chance to fly to the edge of space. After picking up her chocolate bar wrapper from the garbage. That's right a French flight attendant bought a KitKat. Thank you Nestle, which apparently they were running this program...running this advertisement? (Ben) Contest. (Cariann) Contest, thank you. Only in Europe, so that kind of sucks right now. (Ben) Yeah thanks for that. (Cariann) I know, so she done and had her Kit Kat and she opened it up and thought ya know nobody wins those stupid things anyway, right? So she throws it away. Apparently it bothered her enough that she actually went back to the garbage can, dug threw the garbage, got it out, put the little code into the you know... (Ben) Computer. (Cariann) On the computer, exactly. And it was like bing "You win". Yeah, totally golden ticket - exactly. Completely Willy Wonka, right. (Ben) (singing) "She's got the golden ticket." (Cariann) Well yeah, so she gets to go on a rocket plane spacecraft. Which is just incredible. It probably won't be ready for passengers until 2011. (Ben) Ok. That's an interesting...cause a lot of these seem to be coming out in 2010, 2011, 2012. We are going to start to see a surge of privatized space travel about that time. (Cariann) Yeah, oh yeah. (Ben) What a great time to be watching SpaceVidcast and learning about all of these things in advance, trying to find your best bargain to get into space right here. You know we should have a new segment called "Space Bargains". (Cariann) Yeah. Kit Kat said that if for whatever reason it was not ready, she can't go, she gets sick or whatever that they will substitute the prize with 147 Euros or 147,000...147,000 Euros. You know they are zeros, so they relly don't count. Oh my goodness gracious I'm so sorry. (Ben) Final story? (Cariann) Alright, this one unfortunately doesn't have any pictures, so sorry you'll just have to look at our silly mugs for the whole rest of the time. The national coalition for cheap and reliable access to space has been formed. (Ben) NovemberKat, would you like to tell us what is the acronym for that? (Cariann) Now someone say it would be the CRAS, but no they have decided to go with CATS. C-A-T-S. I guess you could just call it the cheap access to space. (Together) (laughter) (Cariann) Coalition. I'm not really sure how that works out. (Ben) I'm not sure I wanna do that. (Cariann) I know. (Ben) It's so scary. (Cariann) That's why they added end reliable, put that sorta on the end. It's like CATS-R. (Ben) Costco makes a spaceship. (Together) (laughter) (Ben) Buy in packs of five. (Cariann) Oh my goodness gracious. The initial members are pretty much any sort of space agency you've ever heard of that's not like NASA per se. But the California Space Authority, New Space Alliance, The National Space Society, any one of those. They are all together and now they are the National Coalition of CATS, essentially. (Together) (laughter) I'm sorry it just sounds... (Ben) You know they really should have rethought that. (Cariann) I know. (Ben) I just don't think...I think they thought it was cool, but it is actually quite lame. (Cariann) Yeah. (Ben) But I mean the concept is cool, but the name they just... (Cariann) Right. (Ben) I've learned this and anyone who does stuff in space like all of these space organizations and things...they really suck at marketing. (Cariann) (laughter) (Ben) I have yet to find one that is any good at it. I don't know why? Just all of them. (Cariann) In any case, the coalition will sponsor a national summit on CATS. And the presidential battleground state of Ohio, October seventh through eight, which is of course one month before the election, and the whole idea is to essentially make a declaration... not a Declaration of Independence, I guess a declaration for CATS. (Ben) Of space.? (Cariann) I'm not really sure. But they want to give it to the next President because they really are that serious about that. And I mean there are like twenty different associations and what have you that are all banding together for this. So it might actually, it might actually work. (Ben) You know anything to further space travel. (Cariann) Right and we are. (Ben) I don't care if it's NASA, I don't care if it's CATS, I don't care whatever it takes. I'm behind it. (Cariann) Right, right. 'Space chimps'. And I know that you are a member of The National Space Society. (Ben) I don't actually know why I'm a member of The National Space Society other than I'm trying to help any organization or agency or... (Cariann) Well now you are part of CATS too. (laughter) (Ben) Fantastic. I'm glad that my 20 dollars went to CATS. (Together) (laughter) (Cariann) Oh my goodness alright. (Ben) When we come back, what's our main topic today? (Cariann) What is our main topic today? (Ben) I don't remember. (Cariann) Oh! (Ben) This is like your show today. (Cariann) This is my show today. I don't know if you guys heard this little Buzz Aldrin conversation that kind of went on, a little interview that he did overseas. And it was very short, but there were a couple things that he said that ah are a little controversial is you will. (Ben) Alright we'll be talking about "The Buzz That Buzz Made" right after this. (music) (Ben) And this week's TLA is SRB. Cariann what is an SRB? (Cariann) I don't know. What is it? (laughter) An SRB is also known as a Solid Rocket Booster. How's that? (Ben) Yeah, what's it do, why do we care? (Cariann) I thought you were doing this part? (Ben) Well I had you write it down. I can read the things. (Cariann) Oh that's why I thought... (Ben) The solid rocket boosters are the two white engines on either side of the main tank. You can one of them right there. And they are what provide the main...big amount of thrust when the Shuttle first launches and it is an enormous amount of power that they've got in those things. It's quite incredible. In fact, actually we do have some stats. Well you know... (Cariann) Honestly I thought you had me write them for you. (Ben) 1.3 million pounds of propellant at launch. And the inert weight is 192,000 pounds when they've got that. So the SRB's, when those launch there is absolutely no stopping the Shuttle, absolutely not. When those light off, you know they can count down to zero or one. And once they hit zero that Shuttle is moving. And we actually had a daily episode not that long ago talking about the new frangible nets that they are using to hold or lock the SRB's to the ground, basically bolt them in. (Cariann) Right. And uh sometimes the bolts won't, they kind of break apart, they won't break. And the SRB's just rip right through them. (Cariann) And it doesn't matter. (Ben) Yup, doesn't matter at all, so that is our weekly TLA. (Cariann) There you go. (Ben) What did Buzz do? (Together) (laughter) (Ben) That crazy guy. (Cariann) That crazy... (Ben) Does everyone know who Buzz Aldrin is? He was the second man on the Moon. He was on the Apollo 11 mission. So he was the second person ever to set foot on an alien body. (Cariann) Right. Which is a big deal. He is highly respected and I totally pulled up the wrong thing in every way shape and form. In any case he gave this interview...where am I? To SCI FI Wire, so science fiction, right? And talking about fantastic space science or science fiction and shows and movies and he really kind of blames science fiction, current science fiction specifically, for being responsible for the lack of interest in real space exploration. Specifically among young people. (Ben) Ok, why? (Cariann) Basically his argument is that it's just not realistic, ya know. Kids are growing up these days, if you will, and they think that they should have warp 9, that they should have phasers, that they should have wormholes. You know where is my Stargate? (Ben) Now I would argue...where's my Stargate? (Cariann) Right, what? (Ben) (laughter) I would argue that it's imagination that...these sci-fi films, as bad as many of them are... (Cariann) (laughter) The core. (Ben) Yeah, exactly. Get your imagination going, they get you thinking and excited about space travel. Not disappointed at where we're at. I think a lot of us are disappointed at where we're at, but where we're at now...not because it's not technologically hard it's because we have chosen to go here. We have chosen to be in low Earth orbit for 30 years. We've chosen with our wallets, we've chosen with our voices. And so because of those choices we don't have Jetson's flying cars and ohter things. If we chose to take the money that we used to throw into the Apollo program and keep up with inflation just constantly throw even billions and billions and billions and billions and BILLIONS more into the space programs I think we would be a lot further along than we are today. And I don't think sci-fi has anything to do with that. Quite the opposite, I think sci-fi inspires people. (Cariann) And that's what I've been hearing a lot of people say. Actually I had a conversation with someone, I can't remember who it is off the top of my head, so I apologize. If it was any of you guys, but they were saying that there are a lot of doctor's that their mom's you know say dies of breast cancer or their grandparents died of Alzheimer's and that motivated them to get into the business of being a doctor or researcher or anything along those lines to...apparently it was Seabass, to figure that stuff out, you know to fix it, if you will. And it's stuff that didn't exist before and so in that sort of same vein like you were saying, it is kind of an inspiration. It's a motivation, if you will. And um... (Ben) I mean they are working on things like matter teleportation, taking matter and turning it into energy, moving it and converting it back to matter again. (Cariann) Yeah. (Ben) And this is inspired by science fiction, I think. Like working on things like flying cars, anti-gravity devices, working on time travel. Ya know these it's obviously all science fiction today, but we're trying to turn it into science fact. And you know it takes time and money. And I just don't think that people have commited the time and money to make these things go. For right or wrong. There's a certain point where you are just throwing money at the problem. It's just wasted money, right? (Cariann) I think, you know, and I don't want this to sound bad, but it will. He's 78. You know I don't know if he has grandkids, maybe he does, but maybe those kids aren't interested in space in any way shape or form or aren't interested in science. And maybe this is what he is basing this off of. I have no idea to be honest. But I can kind of see where he is coming from. You don't hear little kids anymore say that they want to be an astronaut, you know? (Ben) But all he has to do is sit down at the dinner table, and BlueFox will love this, but he just has to sit down and be like "I walked on the Moon". (Cariann) Right, no absolutely. (Ben) And at that point. (Carinan) Right and I don't want to discount what he's done, but at the same time I want to say "But he's done it". You know what I'm saying? (Ben) Right. (Cariann) I think what he is viewing is not a whole lot of people who are doing it. If that makes any sense at all. (Ben) You know a little bit. I think part of...I really fundamentally disagree, you know I have a great amount of respect for the man. He risked his life. (Cariann) Oh, absolutely. (Ben) All of them did. To push the planet forward, to push America forward. And so I have a great amount of respect for the man, I just disagree with him. I do not think he is correct on this particular stance and I really do think that sci-fi is, even bad sci-fi is inspirational is you get the right people looking at it. I really think it's the politicians and it's the current mentality of society as a whole that is really holding us back. And a lot of people are kind of going around and putting themselves in boxes with blinders and saying I'm going to worry about my own little issues and space is so far out there. (Cariann) Right, right. (Ben) They don't care right now. Now if you get an asteroid coming towards us or you get some sort of global catastrophe, they are going to become interested because then at that point it directly impacts their personal interests. But until that time happens it's not really going to be a big deal for them. Now having said that, you know the response we've gotten with just SpaceVidcast, just kind of talking about space travel and doing this stuff and I get so many people that say "I have been a closet space geek all of my life". (Cariann) Right. (Ben) I mean it's...I'm floored with how many people say this to me. (Cariann) Anybody and everybody. (Ben) All walks of life. (Cariann) Some of the production team from TLA was saying that...actually the author that was on the same show... (Ben) TLC. (Cariann) TLC, I'm sorry. (Ben) Twin Cities Live. (Cariann) I said TLA, that's funny. (Ben) Yeah. (Together) (laughter) (Cariann) TCL! (Ben) TCL. (Cariann) Oh my goodness gracious. That show that we were on. That one show. That one. Anyhow, on Twin Cities Live some of the production crew was, the author that was on at the same time, the same episode that we were on has also said that. Yeah just anybody and everybody that I feel like I come into contact with, "You know what is it about". "Oh it's about space". "Oh really?" The girl at Starbucks was asking me about it, you know? (Ben) I think part of what's different is that when we were first going up on rockets and going to the Moon, it was supposed to open up a whole new era of space travel and exploration. So that even fat chubby guys like myself... (Cariann) (laughter) (Ben) can get up into space and we'll just kind of have our orbiting space spaces and we'll have our lunar colony and we'll be... (Cariann) I think everyone's imagination got sparked. (Ben) Exactly, but then we just stopped. (Cariann) Mhmm. (Ben) We stopped going to the Moon, we stopped pushing forward and while we could have, we even have the technology today to build a lunar colony, to build these colonies or these space stations orbiting the Earth... (Cariann) Right. (Ben) we could have done it, we chose not to. And that did, in my opinion, is it separated the common man from space travel. (Cariann) Mhmm. (Ben) And so I can't go into space today. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) Well I mean I could if I had several million dollars. (Ben) Right. (Ben) I'm the common guy, right? (Cariann) Right. (Ben) I cannot go to space today. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) And because I can't do it, why am I interested, why do I care if someone else can do it? (Cariann) Right. (Ben) But this is where privatized space travel is very exciting. Virgin Galactic, now I understand the tickets are still $200,000. Again not common man-type ticket, but much more common than several million dollars. (Cariann) Mhmm. (Ben) Right? Right and TotalRecall said they stopped Congress didn't want to pay for the Apollo missions anymore. And that is absolutely true. And there are ramifications to both decisions, whether we chose to continue to pay or not to pay. Now we know what happens when we chose not to pay, but I can't sit here and say that was the wrong choice. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) I mean you know it's a lot of money to keep this stuff going. (Cariann) Absolutely. (Ben) And frankly we kind of doing it to win the Cold War or we were a little bit scared. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) The Russians kind of put Sputnik up there, where they were doing a lot of firsts. First man in space, first woman in space. And we kind of just wanted to just outgun them. And once, it's kind of a military than it is a scientific task. (Cariann) Right, right. (Ben) And once that task was accomplished and the scientists came in and say this is really cool and da, da, da, da, da, da, the military was like ok whatever we've done that. (Cariann) But keep in mind I mean NASA in terms of how much money our government is spending on NASA as opposed to all the other space agencies around the world... (Ben) Mhmm. (Cariann) we make up like something really ridiculous like 54 percent of all of the money in all of the world that is being funneled specifically into space programs. (Ben) Right. (Cariann) That's a big chuck and we feel like we're not spending anything. You see what I'm saying? (Ben) Well we feel like we're not spending anything. (Cariann) Well yeah. (Ben) You go talk down the street, we talk to our neighbors, they are like "I don't even understand why we still have NASA". (Cariann) Right, right. (Ben) And I think that is a valid concern. (Cariann) Well right. (Ben) That is why we have SpaceVidcast. (Cariann) There's no, there's no media coverage on it, there's no enthusiasm behind it. The only thing you are going to hear about... (Ben) Not any more. It's boring and stale. (Cariann) Right, and it's not. It's not. And I think that's the issue. (Ben) Well I think it is though. I mean it is and it isn't. (Cariann) Well... (Ben) So to people like us it's not, it's exciting every time there is a launch. I mean we just had, yesterday Fox in the room we're all like "We've got a launch we missed, blah, blah, blah". And we're swinging our satellites over trying to get it and yeah that's exciting for us. (Cariann) Mhmm. (Ben) But for my next door neighbor they don't care. Like rocket launch - whatever. So and I don't think that NASA does a good job... (Cariann) I don't know...for Direct TV, so they might care a little bit. (Ben) Maybe. (Together) (laughter) (Ben) I don't think that NASA does a very good job of marketing themselves. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) I don't really think that they do a really good job of justifying themselves. (Cariann) Mhmm. (Ben) And I think they have become risk-adverse. And that is very bad. (Cariann) Can you blame them to a certain extent? (Ben) No, but I'm concerned about it. I mean I think they have become too risk-adverse. But I think that is a topic for another show. In fact we could do an entire talking point on just NASA being risk-adverse. (Cariann) I'm sorry, you're right. It wasn't Direct TV, it was Dish Network. Sorry. (Ben) You know I did the same thing. (Cariann) I'm so sorry, you are totally right. (Ben) EchoStar 11 for those of you wondering. (Cariann) And sea launch. Which was cool. (Ben) And it was a sea launch. So check the SpaceVidcast website for that. You can search for Echo Star XI for 11 and you can actually watch the launch of Echo Star, actually it was, yeah Echo Star 11. (Cariann) Mhmm. (Ben) And so anyhow, point is... (Cariann) Yes, sorry. (Ben) fundamental point is I don't agree with Buzz. I don't think it's sci-fi's fault. (Cariann) Mhmm. (Ben) I think it's our own dumb fault. (Cariann) Ok. (Ben) I think we're the ones who did it. I think that I should have done a show like this a long time ago. (Cariann) Mhmm. (Ben) And I should have gotten people excited. You know the technology wasn't quite there. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) But I still could have done it on TV. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) And it's up to every...we can't blame NASA, we can't blame the ESA, we can't blame one specific person. It's every single person's fault for not speaking up because it just takes sometimes it just takes one voice to change the world. And I don't see, I realize this is corny and cheesy I can understand... (Cariann) (laughter) (Ben) but it really, truly does. (Cariann) No, I completely understand. (Ben) We're doing this in our basement on no budget. (Cariann) What is it they say? There's something about um...like weddings. You send about 300 invitations beacuse you are expecting only 175 people to show up. (Ben) Mhmm. (Cariann) But you specifically send out that many invitations because you know darn well that the percentages work out. It's the same kind of concept. For every one person who speaks up, there's ten people who are wanting to speak up or wishing to speak up. And that's why the loudest voices get heard because...and it's usually the complainers, but that's...you know... because they sort of band together and they kind of get...they get organized. (Ben) I understand. My point is, rather than being one of those ten people that isn't saying anything... (Cariann) Mhmm. (Ben) is just standing in the background, I urge you to be one of those people that is saying something. Now that doesn't mean that I'm telling you you need to say that we need to give NASA more money or we need to do x, y, or z. I'm saying that you should educate yourself on the benefits of space travel. Inside of SpaceVidcast and outside of SpaceVidcast and you should become vocal on your point because...or if I mean if you disagree with it, you know become vocal on that point. (Cariann) Right. (Ben) And I'm not going to tell you what you should believe,... (Cariann) No. (Ben) but most certainly get actively involved in it. And make a go. Ninja just said "The squeaky wheel gets the grease". Well you know what, we're going to be kind of the squeaky wheel for ya here. (Cariann) (laughter) (Ben) We're going to get up on our soapbox and we're gonna start, we're gonna start you know saying to everyone "You need to start worrying about this, you need to start thinking about this, you need to start doing this". And the exciting thing is, as you were talking about 2010, 2011, 2012, somewhere in there... (Cariann) Mhmm. (Ben) the common man, myself, you, everyone in the chat room, everyone watching, you should be able to, if you really want to, you should be able to find a way to get yourself into low-Earth orbit and actually see our planet from afar. (Cariann) Awww, can you imagine? (Ben) ...The Moon. (Cariann) The video! (Ben) I know, I've got that cued up. (Cariann) Ok! Oh my goodness. (Ben) So we'll show that at the exit. So I'm getting off my soapbox and all I want to end with is NASA, I believe NASA's lunar plan isn't big enough and I'm turning towards people like James Smith from The Office of Tomorrow's Mars. LiveOnMars.org? Net? (Cariann) Org. (Ben) LiveOnMars.org. I turn to people like him. I turn to people that are trying to get us onto the Moon and onto then Mars. We should have condos up there. We should have the ability to put people on other bodies just because we're explorers and that's what we do. So that's the end of my soapbox and I think that's... we're going to kind of wrap up the show with a really cool video. (Cariann) You guys have to watch this. It's really short, but it is one of the most amazing things I think I've ever seen. (Ben) This was done with NASA's, I think that EPOXI Spacecraft? Is that how you say that? (Cariann) I believe so. Watch this. There are just no words. (Ben) What you are going to see... (Cariann) Watch the middle of the screen from the left. There you go, you see that? You know what that is? (Ben) That's our Moon. (Cariann) That's our Moon. There you go, we'll end this show with that imagery. Thank you guys so much for watching us. We'll see you next week. (music)

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Duration: 30 minutes and 55 seconds
Country: United States
Language: English
Producer: Benjamin Higginbotham
Director: Benjamin Higginbotham
Views: 160
Posted by: spacevidcast on Jul 19, 2008

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