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Ron Paul Debates Ed Schultz on The Ed Show (5

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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW and our first edition—I guess you can call it Psycho Talk Playback. Last Friday, I put Congressman Ron Paul in Psycho talk. Take a look. SCHULTZ: In tonight‘s Psycho Talk, we got an elected official, Congressman Ron Paul of Texas brings back an old favorite talking point. If we really want to save money in this country, you‘ve got to cut out the deficit, right? Well, you should abolish a few departments is what he was talking about. Why not? Ron Paul said it today on “MORNING JOE.” REP. RON PAUL ®, TEXAS: How about get rid of the Department of Education and the Department of Agricultural? Just go down the list. Get rid of it. Cut the budget in half. Everything that‘s not Constitutional, that‘s a good place to start. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: My feeling on this, localized government made sense for the founding fathers 230 years ago, when it took three weeks to travel from Boston to Philadelphia. Today, we live in a much different world. Now, I think all American kids deserve a good shot at a good education regardless of where they live. The Department of Education plays a role in that. As for the Department of Agriculture, you know, I don‘t grow my own food and you probably don‘t either, but I‘m kind of glad that the government is making sure it is safe before it shows up on my plate. Congressman Ron Paul has just got a different view to all of this. Congressman, in the spirit of sportsmanship, glad to have you here with us tonight on THE ED SHOW. PAUL: Well, thank you. What I don‘t understand is why you don‘t care about the Constitution. You know, we‘re only supposed to do those things authorized in the Constitution. If I say let‘s defend the Constitution and cut out all unconstitutional spending, you can‘t jump on me for that. Besides, you misreported that because, on top of the list, and what I was mainly talking about in that interview was cutting spending overseas. I would suspect maybe you would agree with some of that. I say—wait, I said cut 500 billion dollars from over seas war mongering, never cut domestic programs until we get our house in order. So you didn‘t report that kind of position, which I said entirely through the whole campaign, that I was not going to attack any domestic programs. But when I‘m asked, what I would cut, I would. The Department of Education should be cut. It‘s unconstitutional. It‘s inefficient. We‘ve spent nearly two trillion dollars on the Department of Education and people aren‘t doing that well. And right now in Washington, the city of Washington, we spend 25,000 dollars per student and they‘re not doing all that well. We can spend 400 or 500 dollars on a home schooler in Texas, not that I believe everybody should be home schooled. But in comparison, they spend 400 or 500 dollars and they almost all go to college. There are no guns and no drugs. We have to come down to a consensus. To defend the education system, even when it‘s unconstitutional, doesn‘t make much sense to me. SCHULTZ: Congressman Paul, let‘s get to my reporting. Did you or did you not say that you want to eliminate the Department of Agriculture. Is that true? PAUL: I do. SCHULTZ: OK, you do. That‘s the key point here. This deals with food security. This deals with a cheap food policy. So you want—and also with disasters. The School Lunch Program for poor people. Across the board, you want to get rid of all of that. PAUL: It really hasn‘t served well. SCHULTZ: You want to get rid of that. That‘s the key point here, Congressman. You say that you want to get rid of things that Americans absolutely rely on. PAUL: Because it‘s unconstitutional. There‘s no authority for it. Let me tell you the practical reason is it subsidizes corporate farmers, not the little farmers; 78 percent of all the subsidies go to corporations. It raises the cost of food to the average person. Just think for over 100 years, who did they protect? The tobacco farmers. You‘re defending the tobacco farmers. SCHULTZ: I‘m not saying that there‘s not mistakes in the Ag Department. But I do know that the checks and balances when it comes to good food on our table is something that we‘ve got to have. What about food security in this country? We‘ve had some issues with food security. The Department of Agriculture is the department that oversees all of that. How can you be for stripping that away? You say it‘s not constitution. The vote of the people, this goes back to Abraham Lincoln. PAUL: You‘re right. SCHULTZ: -- that goes all the way back to Abraham Lincoln. Was he a socialist, too? PAUL: No, but he didn‘t believe in the republic as we do, because he wanted to nationalize everything. That is true. It started in 1862. It wasn‘t authorized originally. SCHULTZ: So get rid of it. So you‘re saying that the Ag Department today plays no function in our government of any meaningful source at all and we should just get rid of it? PAUL: No, I didn‘t say that. SCHULTZ: Yes, you did say that, Congressman. You said that on “MORNING JOE.” You said you wanted to get rid of the Ag Department— PAUL: Do you want to interview me or not? Do you want to interview me? SCHULTZ: I‘ve interviewed you. I‘m giving you all I need to hear. Respectfully, Congressman, you‘re in the psycho talk zone because you want to get rid of something that provides security to this country, and that‘s food security. I appreciate your time tonight. Good to have you with us. PAUL: Ed, I think the psycho term is misplaced. It may be a reversal of that term because of the rant that I just heard. You get paid for that. SCHULTZ: I‘m accurate, congressman. I‘m with the American people. They want an Ag Department. I understand that we‘ve got to trim government. But to arbitrarily completely get rid of the Ag Department, I‘m sorry, that is so way off base— PAUL: What you‘re refusing to admit is the priorities. That‘s what - you‘re refusing to admit— (CROSS TALK) PAUL: You‘re refusing to admit that you don‘t give a darn about our Constitution. Pretty soon they are going to be going to war without a declaration. (CROSS TALK) PAUL: They‘re going to be spying on you, against the Fourth Amendment. You better have respect for the Fourth Amendment and the Constitution, and not be so careless with our rule of law. SCHULTZ: Congressman, you‘re a good sport. We‘ve got to have you back. The next time you‘re back, we will talk about the Fourth Amendment. PAUL: Will you be friendly? SCHULTZ: I‘m friendly right now. I just disagree with you. PAUL: You used to be friendlier on the radio. You get a big audience, it goes to your head. SCHULTZ: Congressman, I like you. You‘re a great guy, but we‘re not going to get rid of the Department of Agriculture. PAUL: Who said we were? SCHULTZ: What about your state Texas, where they‘ve had all those droughts out there on those ranches? You going to throw them under the bus? PAUL: The only ones that would lose any money are the very wealthy corporate farms. You‘ll come around. You believe in the Constitution when you want to. SCHULTZ: I do believe in the constitution, but I also believe in the Department of Agriculture. PAUL: There you go, whatever you want. SCHULTZ: Thank you Congressman. I appreciate your time. And I do. I do. I got a lot of heat from people because I put him in the psycho talk zone. But the fact is, look at what the Department of Agriculture does for this country. Mad Cow Disease? They had a provision in the last farm bill that was called COOL, Country Origin Of Labeling. Do you want to know where your food comes from? The Department of Ag does that. We‘re in a world of terrorists that want to take us down. That‘s all the conservatives do is tell us, gosh, we gotta protect the country. Part of protecting the country is protecting the food source. All right. Is president—we‘re going to have him back ...

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Duration: 7 minutes and 32 seconds
Country: United States
Language: English
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Posted by: kramerdsp on May 22, 2009

Ed Schultz argues with Ron Paul, who favors eliminating the Department of Education and Department of Agriculture.

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