Cogumelos Mágicos podem desbloquear a depressão? | Rosalind Watts | TEDxOxford
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this is Kirk he suffered for depression
talking therapy and nothing helped in
given psilocybin also known as magic
depression free this is Ben he suffered
that time he tried everything CBT group
to him by his doctor and nothing helped
since that time he has been depression
depression gone but in the last year he
course he's flown on a plane for the
and social life are flourishing I can't
mushrooms are an illegal psychedelic
magic mushrooms you might think of the
thinking you can fly you might think of
magic mushrooms did to to bed into Kirk
to ask the question what does this
do that we can't I'm a clinical
group at Imperial it's a vibrant group
these very unconventional questions in a
Carhartt Harris he's a pioneering
David Nutt who is a world-renowned
cut through ribbons and ribbons of red
psilocybin for depression study last
with treatment resistant depression
a therapeutic setting now the numbers
remarkable we kept seeing these drops in
psilocybin treatment over and over again
right down much bigger reductions in
to see in trials of conventional
talking therapy the depression scores
staying down six months after the dose
symptoms of depression three of them
there were small reductions in their
for 11 their depression was greatly
the symptoms of depression started to
very disappointing but with
every day they have some unpleasant side
and they are a palliative treatment not
were seeing immediate reductions in
that last four months without side
the root causes rather than just
relentless haunting affliction Winston
patients in a study called it a concrete
of prison they had tried between three
therapy and opted sorry three and eleven
talking therapy but nothing had released
prisons of depression and they're not
epidemic of depression it's the number
will affect everyone in this room either
and we don't understand depression we
despite enormous scientific endeavor we
cure we don't really understand it it's
different factors and when it hits it
or it can be just a shroud that kills
illness that we can just test for and
how to unlock depression the key is
for each person so in our study we were
psilocybin on the patient's brains so it
flexible hyper-connected you could say
study we did these brain scans and we
we also in Crete included a symptom
symptoms were going right down but that
know from patients in their own words
psilocybin doing so we interviewed them
analyzed the interview traps transcripts
psilocybin was doing but before I guess
should clarify what a psychedelic
unconscious mind to become conscious
up over the course of life but then has
see it emerges like you it's kind of
back of your wardrobe and it emerges it
embody it memories emotions pain love
and demands you feel it it can be
beautiful patients in our study
types of experience so firstly visiting
about your life negative patterns and
connect these experiences of harmony and
they would have all three experiences in
here's our treatment room and you would
the patient they'd be given ice shades
music and just surrender to whatever
sessions with the therapist before
safe but the therapist doesn't structure
content in any way but there was a
beginning a middle and an end and a flow
other in the most sophisticated way as
excellent therapist now in my previous
would provide him talking therapies in
for my patients and think how can I help
how can I help them get a different
compassion or some motivation for change
but it's all coming from the therapist
outside of themselves and it's sometimes
psilocybin sessions I was witnessing
healing the ideas all came from inside
transformative because the lessons were
therapists there is themselves so the
psilocybin did
like a broken can I have another click
coming up but I'll tell you what it says
inner unlocking so patients described
inside to being emotionally liberated
avoidant of emotion to accepting emotion
when stressful or painful painful things
emotions were distance or suppressed
suffering it's seen as a weakness
in boxes Sam remembered growing up and
to suffer in silence and many of the
deal with their feelings because so much
many years of hurt they just didn't have
had many different ways of avoiding
through food through television through
antidepressants which didn't really work
just none the worse of the pain but they
many of the patients described feeling
described experiencing trauma in their
had never been able to process it or
their psilocybin experiences they were
where's doing Oh John here John he had
his psilocybin dose he saw a great big
all of his pain and shame that he'd
and he grappled with it it was extremely
session he was able to unlock that box
powerful many of them cried for the
experience of accepting emotion and just
hours what you would often see in six
of therapy and now the second theme is
going from disconnection to connection
a gradual turning inward slowly becoming
love from your identity and becoming
trapped in a small corner of their minds
thinking attacking them all the time and
reconnection so been described it this
the hard drive on your computer I
mind I witnessed it as it was all put
being defrag how brilliant is that and
and I ruminate less and other patients
different way some described it as the
John said it was like turning on the
mental reboot they were able to connect
their their self their identity Kirk
life and they could connect through
his wife for the first time in seven
teenagers again many of them felt a
see nature as a thing like a television
and they connected to a spiritual
them overall they went from being
so altered states of consciousness have
of years around the world but the
and we're excited to be doing a bigger
carefully we don't know so much about it
so we're treading carefully and we're
five years about how and when psilocybin
could revolutionize mental health care
these superficial treatments short-term
help nothing had ever helped because
their pain and in this epidemic of
need so many people need help and the
treatments and years and years of
that if we incorporate psilocybin into
therapies I used to work in that we can
more powerful its supplementing therapy
out of your suffering rather than just
unlock depression the answer is no it's
it's the patient the mushroom just shows
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