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Satyaprem - Entrevista Veja 2 de 3

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Second part of the interview with Satyaprem When you met Osho... what did you feel ? did you feel something different ? did you feel that you were finding the path ? - There is a statement in east, in India more precisely, that says that when you are ready... the Master appears. This has... millions of readings... we well get rid of the most religious sense that the words "Master-disciple" create... and bring them to a more common environment, more cultural... "life gives you challenges only when you are ready to face them, not before" Then, if you take it as the main thing, as essential... you are always receiving the Master that you need in that moment of your life... - Both need to be ready... the master and the disciple ? - Master is always ready. ... always ready because the Master is nobody... ...the Master is that mystery which is hidden... ...and that I called "Awareness" one minute ago... Then... what happened...? When I saw Osho, when I met Osho, when I realized... I... relaxed.

And there is a curious aspect here "very brazilian"... In my family, in a certain time, there were some aunts related to spiritism, with "umbanda", - a religious mix... - Yes, that... and I visited all that as a teenager... - You became interested... - To be honest, I don't know, I just know that I was there...

...but there was a mysterious thing that really called my attention ...in a certain moment my grandfather invited me to visit a black old man who was his friend... ...childhood's friend... same age... and that friend... - in his place - he... did those things that they do... I don't know how to explain... - I know, I know - And he said that there was... how do I say... ? ...that he had contacted his guides... and so on... and that there was a very strong connection with someone who was guiding me, ...I didn't have any idea then... I didn't know who was guiding me... ...and he said... "there is a man guiding you..." and then he asked for help to his guides and described... he described and said... "a Master, from east, from India..." he almost gave the address... - How many years before your first meeting with him was that ? - One year practically before meeting Osho ...or half a year... and that happened once again with another person who was friend of the family, a cards reader... ...she was a medium... ...and she described the same thing too... "there is a man..." ...and the curious thing is that she said to me... "all those problems that you are facing... all those obstacles that you are facing... ...were putted by that Master, he wants you to pass through that, so you are capable of certain things..." It made no sense to me. Because in that moment intellectually I had an interest more for communism.... ....for a material issue... - Very rational, apparently logic. - Totally... from what is a "mystic" or "religious" matter... ...it didn't make any sense... it was a surprise... - And was it suddenly... immediately you perceived...? ...that this change was happening ? - In a moment when he was speaking I was in doubt even my grandfather asked me "what did he say to you?" I told him... and he said "he knows, I trust" - perfect. - so I said "ok" ...when I met Osho, I realized... it seemed that everything did... ...everything fitted. - Did you receive the name Satyaprem in your first meeting ? - It doesn't work like that... you start meditating and then you have the chance for asking a name or not to ask it... in my case it was final, I didn't want to keep being whoever it was... - After how long ? was it in Brazil or India ? - It was in Brazil ... it was immediately, in my first meditation camp I meditated during a weekend... ...and I said "that business is my business"... - You talk of master, of "enlightened master", and that in our common language sounds arrogant... what is an enlightened Master ? what is an enlightened being ? - what is an enlightened ? all the beings are enlightened... ...it is just that they are with an umbrella... ... it is as if that light which is lighting us, would be covered with something... ...or even that someone would turn the light off... ... if we would turn the light off, we would stay in total darkness here... and nobody would be seeing us, not even hearing us, nothing... now, what is an enlightened... it is when you allow your inner light to shine - and guides you. Just look, the difference would be like so : an enlightened being is different from another being... in what sense ? in no way, let's say so... we are all, made of the same thing, identical, there is no difference... the only difference is that there is a sort of dream, a "sleepwaking" state... "sleepwalking" of being: where you are being guided by your mind, by your conditioning... and where you are not being guided by your mind, but being guided by the light ...by your consciousness. Hence, "light" "enlightened" is a term brought from India, and people has problems with this... - The translation. - For example, it could be said that I am an "enlightened Master"... - You are... ? - It could be said. - You don't say so ? - No, I don't say it, there isn't that need... ...but when you bring that translation into portuguese, and for our context, it looks as you said... arrogant... - Just apparently... - And not only arrogant but unacceptable. - Because here in Brazil, it doesn't exist that so evident... ... but I lived long time in Sweden and they learn one thing.... that "you always have to despise" that exists... ...then, if you say that someone is an spiritual master, or an enlightened master... ...would be the same to say that you are superior to everyone. ...and that connotation is mean, bad... ...because it is not... it is not that. there is only the difference that I mentioned before... that you are guided by your silence, by your awareness, by your consciousness... ...and no longer by your codes or your conditionings which are extremely contraries, weaks, generate a great schizophrenia as the softest meaning of that term... ...you live divided between one and another thing, That inner division that people live, is because the concepts and experiences are in conflict very often... ...then when you enter into the light of consciousness that you are, there is no conflict, because nothing exists different than consciousness, in that environment... Only consciousness exists... - Perfect... - Then, your action is from Consciousness, it flows from Consciousness, not from your mind anymore... It is not that the mind is not there anymore, nor that it is not available to its inquiry... ...it (the mind) is watchable, but is not confused as being you anymore. If mind is confused, it is mind that is confused, it is not you that is confused.... Then it is like if you were watching me... you are watching me... ...and this is true... - Yes... it is visible - Yes, you are experiencing that... ... you are experiencing me as "another person" Then it is as if you would experience yourself as being another person ...as if you would watch yourself... in action and functioning. - Perfect. We'll continue talking in the third part of the interview with Satyaprem.

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Duration: 8 minutes and 46 seconds
Country: Brazil
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Posted by: jiten on Jul 31, 2012

Entrevista a Satyaprem en programa VEJA

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