Episode #4 Oppression
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I personally, I have a hard time
with this definition of oppressor and oppressed.
It always comes in these discussions because
the way that I see the situation
is that there was a war,
a war between two people.
And the fact that, maybe in some way,
now one of the sides has the upper hand
the reason for Israel to behave in that way
is a very deep fear
and a need to defend themselves.
At least that's how most Israelis see it.
Whether it's true or not.
The fact that they see it like that
makes it, in a way, true.
So, it's not that they're oppressing
for the benefit of being an oppressor,
but for security, because
I can also understand
the claim that if it wasn't that way,
Israel would be in danger
which I'm sure that you can also understand.
But I'm not sure.
Like for me, when it's, you now
about two days ago it was Holocaust Memorial Day
and when my Jewish friends say "Never again"
I also say "Never again."
But the thing is that I want
I think, I totally sympathize with the Jewish nation
for what happened, took place in World War II
the holocaust,
but for me,
you know, like some people, some Palestinians
will use the term that they are making another holocaust
it's not a holocaust, to be clear.
But what they're doing is that
you know, there was a nation which was oppressed
in a very brutal way,
like one of the worst events on earth.
But now they are oppressing another people
and the issue is not
you know, as you said, this is security
they want to feel more safe
and they don't want the holocaust to happen again
so they invest in security
and we pay the price.
So from a Palestinian perspective
maybe after getting more exposed to the Israeli narrative
I can understand some parts
I can undestand the psychology of protecting yourself
but we are paying this price
of, like, massive security
if you want to call it that.
But the thing is that
also, the thing is that
the security is not only because of the holocaust
from what happened in the holocaust
it's because of what happens from Palestinians
and from the other Arab countries towards Israel
when they came here
and when there was a State founded by the UN
it's not only because of the trauma
it's because there is actual risk right now.
Don't you see that?
Don't you think that many people in Arab countries
are hostile towards Israelis?
And many people would like to hurt them
if it was possible?
For me, like, what really causes this self-protection
first was the holocaust
and including the ZIonist narrative
it's a very important part
maybe more important than what happens...
like it's not about denying what happened in war
what happened, you know, how
the Arab countries will respond
if they know this citizen is an Israeli,
coming to our country.
But the self-protecting mentality
was created after the holocaust
that we don't want this holocaust to happen again
and it grew more and more
after what happened in the war
and having the State of Israel established.