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Jacque Fresco - Extensional Values, Set Patterns, Rules of the Game in Culture

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They have no need for them. Okay. Now that that's out of the way, we can get back to the discussion about behavior. When you think about certain things that you usually don't think about, it may make sense to you intellectually, but your habits are established prior to the intellect. Prior to what you call logic and reason. And so, you have feelings about things, feelings and pride, you know, like, "My son was number one in his classroom." - or something, if he was studying irrelevant subjects, as a fashion designer, or an interior decorator, or a lawyer, it wouldn't make a difference to me, and was number 10 in his class or know nothing in his class, it wouldn't make very much difference. What makes the difference is whether or not you can relay, and whether or not they read up on subjects that the classmates may not be interested in. I don't care if you're a liberated female and you walk around asking your friends what they think if they don't buy it at all, you dump the viewpoint. I would say, that's a tremendous insufficiency. And a lot of people go a lot of places, and they sit down, and they listen to ideas, and they won't make a decision. They'll turn to the person next to them and say "What do you think of that guy?" And they together. And so, a lot of people are not habituated to what you call "Think for themselves" or evaluate a system, and say, "Well, I don't know enough about it. I accept some of the things, and some things I reject." So just remember that prior to reading books on semantics, [unclear], social phenomena, social psychology, you get habits established in home. Your brother, your father, your dad, you have all those things, and you have social habits. "You got to send a birthday card, you know." - And you do those things, and then you read all the books on semantics, and go "What the hell's a birthday card?" "Happy New Year", you don't control the New Year. You know, if you set up on the cloud, you arrange the weather, the sea, the climate, then I'd know. You're gonna have a good new year. He says "How's that?" "There's a batch of lenses, and things that you need, and they're all back there for you." He says, "Well, that's promise of a better New Year." And then John says "You know there are a lot of Mack trucks in town, you can't know that you're gonna have a happy New Year. You might. You might build something fantastic with the lenses; the lenses may snap and blind you for life." You can't know those things. All you can know, is that from certain conditions, and proportions, you can diminish the possibility of accidents. But they are with us. Those things are with us. And so, our earlier habits establish our emotional set. and our emotional set is dominant, over your knowledge of semantics, reason, problem solving, in school - problem solving - you know, you see 2 people in an argument, and they're fighting, physically. You say - would you move in and try to say - "listen you fellas, you know, why don't you sit and reason together?" you know, "would you mind your own business?" What would you do? And a person says - a person writes down, well this is what I would do. Well actually, when you're involved with somebody, emotionally, and somebody walks over and says something, do you listen to what the other person says objectively? Or do you tend to take sides with the person you're familiar with? And the person you know? Somehow, whenever my kid got into an argument with somebody else, he always seemed to be right. That's what I mean, we have that kind of prejudice condition in ourselves. And it takes a long time to undo that. You have to have a set about people, and it's a hard set to come by. You can get along with people so long as you get along with them, and in certain areas you won't get along with them, and that's a fact. And certain areas some people don't want to change, because they can't afford it emotionally. Is there anybody that doesn't know what that means? They can't afford to change emotionally. You know, if my girlfriend put her arm around me, and I say "what's the matter? You insecure?" You know, and if I put my arm around her and she says "are you insecure?" So you don't touch, even though you want to touch, if you want to touch, "are you insecure?" Do we put our arms around other people, because they put their arms around us and say "yes, I do feel that way" you know, do we enquire this constant reassurance? And I would say one measure of concern of another person for any other person, is the services they attend to render that other person. If you were studying botany, and the guy that liked you tried to facilitate that, and get you the equipment you couldn't get and try to - if you wanted to go in the other room and paint, and the person will say "well, you know, fine" and they sit here and they read a book, but they don't bother you for doing it. That would be more important to me than putting your arms around one another, it'd be much more important to share in that general area. Is that locked? To me, it'd be much more important to do that. But if you did that, suppose you did that to a person, suppose you were very extensional to the person, but no sweet nothings, you'd lose contact with that person, because their habits of thought - in other words, if you - if a person trips and falls, and you help them up, bandage their knee, and then head off. They say "oh thank you very much" - "I'm sure you'd do the same for me, I don't need that" you know - "there's something odd about that character." And so, reading on semantics and then applying at this kind of intellectual sanity, may not come off right. You may see in the behavior of other people that you're talking to, a kind of an alien look. Do you know what I mean? And they antagonise you, because here you are trying to provide them with some information that you feel may be relevant to their lifestyle. And they turn around and say "that sounds communist" or whatever the hell they say. They say things like that "why don't you go back to Russia?" Here the guy dropped a package - "could you help me put everything together?" He says "what are you a communist?" You see, i see it in that sense. They can't always put things together. And so the way they look at you when you're talking to them, causes what I thought you could call it 'unconscious resentment' or what you would call, seemingly just speak to the person and it seems to bounce off their ears, they don't seem to understand, and then you plead with them. Says "I didn't mean anything harmful by that, I only attempted to assist" - he says "I didn't ask you, mind your own fucking business." You know. "What are you interested in music?" - "What are you? An FBI agent?" You know. They don't always like to answer to other people. And so, a lot of people are very private, and the reason that they are is because, when you tell me that your kid brother was in a mental institution for 3 years - you know - "I'm sorry to hear that, is he well?" When I get mad at you - a person says "you notice something occasionally?" - "Her kid brother was in a hospital for 3 years," and I use it against you, and then your friend says, "I didn't know your kid was" - "how'd you find out?" - "Fresco" because when I get mad at you, i might say, "not that I've got anything against it, but her farther was criminally insane. Murdered 9 children." - "I knew that when she puts coffee down on the table she shakes a little bit." So, the point is, people that have any kind of resentment against you, will notice that your eyes buldge when somebody's talking. They will see that. They see it. They have need to see it. And so, being rational is a tough project, you launch a batch of crap at people John, hurl it out - then they go and you say "I see." But if you say "try to help the goddamn bastard and look what the hell I get, he damages my car." That's looking for justice. So what you're supposed to do is just throw it out. "Women's lib? Oh shit, you know? How did this get here?" - you know - "how are you Fresco?" - "I don't like that much liberation. Besides women are naturally weaker." You know, the whole idea is that, they don't want a package, they don't need it. And also when a female picks up a gun and hits a moving target continuously, you know, a guy says "A lot of male arm on her" - you know - it's not a god damn thing, not a god damn thing. A female on the motorcycle in a barrel is probably a lesbian - you know what I mean? You know, it's easier for them to understand. To become liberated, the need a lot of shades of grey, and even if a person is a lesbian, so what? You know what I mean? Because everybody, everybody has a certain amount of dualistic behavior. Sometimes I see a guy that I haven't seen in a long time and i want to put my arms around him, I'm glad to see him. But I don't want to kiss his cheek because I wasn't brought up in Turkey. My farther does that, he kisses a guy on both cheeks and hugs - and they walk around brothers - walking around with their arms around eachother in Turkey. And they weep, if a Turk hears that another guy had a little trouble they take out their hankerchiefs and they weep. And their political leaders when they get up and make a speech, "we're losing land and territory of Turkey" and they weep, they really weep. And they weep like that, and nobody looks at them as [unknown word]. And this is a pattern. Now, infact a lot of men that [unknown word] the junior feelings about something, sometimes are conditioned not to weep. But they weep in here, which is pretty rough, sometimes it's better to weep. Sometimes it's better to physically weep. But it's a sign of weakness. See? And you wouldn't rather scream it, if your brother was run over by a matt truck. They would remember that. See? If you don't seem to remember the fact that you were very close to the person and you couldn't handle it. You didn't any tools for handling that situation emotionally. Remember that people are not gunna sit back and say you know I'd like to understand her behavior from her point of view. Or his behavior from his point of view. They don't do that. Nor do they really Jacque, so whenever you youck at people, you're youcking at them in given culture, in the middle ages. And all the reinforces are not in your hands. But if you had a youcht, or something where you hoard all those boys together to work with and yelled, and said "hey, we're all going out this Sunday." And say "gosh anybody that can get a youcht like that has gotta be darn smart." He says "what do you think?" You say "well, I'm a member of the John Burts society" You say "where can I get [unknown]? he's got a youcht, he's got an [unknown], he must know something." But here you are, you know, peddling pencils on a corner and talking about the insufficiency of congress. And they figured "jesus christ, how come he's peddling pencils on a corner?" You see? And so, the idea Joe is that people don't want to listen. They don't have any need for it, and you, or John or me sometimes we don't symbolise anything that they wouldn't want to look up to. They do that with very famous people - "what kind of coffee do you drink? How many cups of coffee do you drink a day? Do you ever drink tea? Do you have sleepless nights?" And so normal people, try to get next to famous people, or rich people, or important people, because they feel a little bit like get on, you know, and they'll get in with that crowd, and get the extensionality of that system. So here you've got hell of a lot of insecure rats, running round, trying to make contact with rats that know where the pile of food is. And the rat says "yes! There's a pile of food!" and the guy says "gee it's 800 feet high, I haven't had anything to eat for 3 days." A guy says "see that fence around the pile? It's private property. There's also a proximaty mechanism on the fence, with a security guard. But an act of human kindness should be committed most royoul - the guy gives him a sandwich or half a sandwich. So the idea in our culture is that the rules of the game are set so that male and female have antagonisms inherant in the culture. Is there anybody disagrees with that? The culture produces automatically, those antagonistic feelings. And also, you can see it - if you want to take the time out - children growing up. "hey" you know "what are you playing with the girls for?" I'm talking about when you're 4 or 5 years old. That kind of thing, you know "momma, he likes my sister" I didn't know why, why older guys want to go out with girls, you can't have any fun with a girl, you know, you throw your ball, they can't even catch it. And they won't go off the high board, what the hell are you hanging around with girls for? And so, they are right in their set the way they're brought up, the values are different. Now if a girl climbs a tree - the other girls - you know "she's an odd one" if you have a collection of snakes when you're young, you know, your girlfriends, you know, they have a reaction. But it isn't typically female, it's typically cultural. There any girls here that collected snakes of any kind, or ever had any snakes? Any girls here that ever picked up a frog? Slimey frog? You pick up a frog? Snakes - did you Linda? - Yes but [unknown] Alright, right out of the pond. Have you? Have I? I have but I wouldn't - Are you conditioned against that kind of thing? Yes, I don't like snakes or frogs. Whether it's poisonous or non-poisonous? According to your conditioning? Do you realise that? Oh, very small - Okay - picking up snakes - do you believe you can change in that area if you wanted, if you had need to? Yes but I don't choose to. You don't choose to? Ok, that's your problem with other people - you may say things to them, and they don't choose to, meaning that forces that act upon them force that decision. Is that right? You know, if you go out with a guy - if a girl goes out with a guy, and she likes the guy, she wants to go to bed with him, and she puts her arm around him, she tries opening his fly and reaches for him, you know? The guy is - the guy doesn't feel comfortable, because it doesn't fit the pattern, it's far afield of the pattern. He says "there must be something wrong with her" see? And so - but if a guy does it, "that's how men are" you know what I mean? "You know how men are. Everybody knows that." So, what you're dealing with's a set of patterns they're all established, the patterns are established. You know, if you squeze your girlfriend's butt while she's getting into a car, it's alright. But if I were in a supermarket and my girlfriend was reaching for my balls, you know? I'd say you know "not here!" Because i can't sit around like that and the supervisor says "alright, [unknown]." Whereas the people in the supermarket - "notice that guy with the captains hat and the beard" if they see you on the radio once or anything like that, it doesn't take very long especially - and so, in the world today if you want to make contact with people you have to simulate certain values on the outside, I mean, you have to wear that mask. Now I don't think people are going to turn around and say "how liberated are you?" and you say - you go like that, and you fart - no, now a girl that does that especially a respectable girl, you know, from a good home, that's not too liberating, that's sick. The difference between sickness and liberation with clothes, alright John there's your major problem. Major problem is that people don't choose to change because they don't see the extensionality of the system.

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Duration: 15 minutes and 41 seconds
Country: United States
Language: English
Producer: The Venus Project
Director: The Venus Project
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Posted by: ltiofficial on Oct 13, 2012

Jacque talks about behavior, how people relate or don't, established social patterns, people's unconscious resentments.

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