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Annotated captions of Michael C. Ruppert Comments On Zeitgeist: Moving Forward in English

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From a night club at the end of the world, I'm Michael C. Ruppert

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and welcome back to The Lifeboat Hour.

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It's Sunday, January 16th (2011).

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Last night I went to the world premiere of the newest Zeitgeist movie from Peter Joseph

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and The Venus Project; it's called Moving Forward.

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It's an incredible piece of filmmaking by the head of The Venus Project, Peter Joseph,

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who I've had some dealings with. I find him to be both a very, very

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smart and a very honourable guy.

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Everyone who understands that the current human paradigm is collapsing,

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that infinite growth is not possible on a finite planet

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and that the current monetary economic system is functioning inversely

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to human interest, needs to see this movie.

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I'm in it, so are a few other faces, most of us will recognise.

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There were many things that really impressed me overall.

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First I watched the largest independent film release in human history

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take place simultaneously in 60 countries and 30 languages.

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That says almost as much about the movie as the movie itself does.

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I mean what an organization. I wish I could see effective projection of will and presence

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throughout the rest of our movement, maybe we'll get there.

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In LA there was a sold out house of about 800 to 1000 people

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and I sat next to Peter Joseph in the very back row and we watched the film together.

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And I wish the whole Lifeboat sustainability movement could really organise in that way.

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What's becoming clear to me is that there's a global separation taking place

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into two camps of people. Those who believe in and serve the infinite growth

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monetary monster (you know) the zombies, and those who understand

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that a radical shift in human thinking and action

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must take place, like immediately if any of us are to survive.

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So I would put myself on collapsenet, transition US, transition Europe and world,

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The Venus Project and the members of running on empty discussion groups

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with more than 7000 active participants and a long historical record on

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the same side of that line together. The same would apply to the many, many thousands

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of students who have been through any of Tom brown's

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Wilderness Schools. I'm going to be taking Tom's basic course in February

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and after that Tom and I are in discussion to start doing weekend

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seminars around the country. I think thats going to be a really useful package

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for a lot of people who want to bring in some other great lights too.

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So if I saw things that I disagreed with or saw as falling short of being a

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complete realistic strategy in Zeitgeist Moving Forward,

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I can say the same thing about the transition movement or Tom's training

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or any of what we do at collapsenet and everything else.

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The point is is that we all understand the situation and we're all looking for

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our way through it. That should make us natural allies.

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I've never seen any group that has so well understood how the current

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economic paradigm actually functions and what it's doing to us and the planet

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and what the inevitable end result of this monetary paradigm is going to be

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its going to be killing everything on the planet for the sake of profit.

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Just for the education one gets on that, the film is totally worth it.

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Zeitgeist gets that the single and only obstacle to human kind ending up in a sustainable future

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is the way money works - thats what has to be changed.

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Whereas I have been saying, as most of you know, for a decade

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until you change the way money works you change nothing.

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The Venus Project--they've put an exceptional amount of thought, and research also,

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into a functioning and interconnected world

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originating from a Resource Based Economy, but thats kind of after the dust settles.

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You know, they've done thinking that others haven't and I kind of wish

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I could see some transition influence in there but theres great, great stuff

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that I think everyone needs to see and would pick from.

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I saw a few holes and I point them out not to be critical

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of Peter Joseph or a really incredible piece of film making,

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but to show where all people and all groups in the philosophies

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on our side of this line can help teach and share experience with each other.

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What we need is a rounded philosophy

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that can help us meet immediate challenges realistically.

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We cannot pretend there isn't going to be civil unrest.

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We cannot pretend that just having a garden is all we need.

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We cannot pretend that being a skilled wilderness

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and survival expert is all we need.

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There's a reason Native Americans lived in tribes.

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We cannot pretend we will not have to forge some sacred principles.

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Oh, there's that buzzword.

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Zeitgeist: Moving Forward did some brilliant statistical analysis

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on the very high correlation between inequality and violence

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and I really want to take a second to talk about this.

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I mean, it was great statistical research.

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The correlations are just breathtaking.

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The more inequality there exists in a nation or a culture,

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the more violence there is. It's like an inescapable correlation.

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It's unbelievable. It goes back historically and it's true anywhere in the world.

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And what do we see happening right now? The rich "one-percent"

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is gobbling up all the wealth in the world,

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and the disparity is creating a situation that,

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according to this research, can only lead to violence.

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Brilliant research!

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And I use the word "sacred" specifically and for a reason.

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Forget about religion and ritual. That's an old paradigm thought-trap

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that tries to keep you from seeing the truth.

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Think of what you might say if you came across a murder scene

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like, for example, Tucson last week.

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You might see the carnage and a dead child, and you might say to yourself:

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Is nothing sacred? In this case, all "sacred" means

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is like a core, "uncompromisable" starting or anchor point.

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Some things are starting to become sacred

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as our understanding grows in this "lifeboat sustainability."

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Whatever we call this movement--everybody on this side of the line.

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A resource-based economy is sacred.

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A cessation of environmental destruction is sacred.

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Dismantling of "infinite growth" is sacred.

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These things have to be sacred, or else nothing can be...

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will be there for our descendants.

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And if there isn't something that's sacred, then nothing is sacred.

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And that's the kind of world we don't want to go into.

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Let's just take those three for now. We'll find out more as we go along.

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We can revise these, but we have to have some core operating principles

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on this side of the line. Everybody I mentioned is on the same side.

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We have to respect and work with each other

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because this change of consciousness that is taking place very rapidly,

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must have a seat at a global table where discussions are.

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We need a foot in the door to help start influencing and shaping decisions around us.

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We cannot just go into this as if we're riding a kayak...

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...over a category five rapids, without a paddle.

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We need to know how to paddle.

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We have to respect and work with each other,

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because this change of consciousness is so important.

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We will sooner or later have a seat at the table

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because events are waking the world up for us.

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They're driving the world. All we have to do is collect this stuff now

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because it's so clear that we've been correct about what's wrong with the world.

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But whether the old paradigm likes it or not, we are like

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the billions of blades of grass growing up

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through the cement of monetary tyranny--and we're growing much stronger.

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And we're going to start moving the sidewalks as soon as we have to.

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Where Zeitgeist fails in my opinion, is in its envisioning

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of how we get from here to a different world and what will happen in transition.

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I heard a Zeitgeist member in last nights Q&A

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ridiculously suggest, still--I don't know how this can happen--

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that hydrogen can provide enough energy for a happy self-sustaining world.

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Boy, that's tough.

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The ignorance, though, instilled by corporate media

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and advertising liars out there is insidious, to say the least.

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And certainly no large movement... What The Venus Project's

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demonstrated effectiveness will be without infiltrators

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and people trying to plant some bad seeds in there. It's just part of the game.

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That's not the point. While Peter Joseph was amazingly prescient

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in seeing that the monetary paradigm is our only enemy,

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he left me short when he envisioned a global revolution of thought

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prompting people to suddenly withdraw all their currency from circulation

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and their cash from the bank.

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He didn't say how everybody was going to eat that night after it was done.

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These are things we all need to work out. Nobody is supposed to have the answers.

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We can't hold any one person for that. We are making great progress

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toward finding them. The infinite-growth disease is not going to let go without a fight.

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If I was frustrated with Moving Forward, it was because it almost closed the circle for me

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which is what I really want, but not quite, and I don't blame them for that.

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I suspect that it will take all of us on the same side of the line

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to find a way to close that circuit together.

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I'm going to have Peter Joseph as a guest on the Lifeboat Hour soon.

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Next week my guest is a really old and dear friend

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who I know occupies a warm spot in everybody's heart,

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former six-term Congresswoman, and 2008 Green Party presidential nominee:

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Cynthia McKinney. Yeah, she'll be joining us.

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She's going to have some straight talk

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and we'll probably both end up going to jail that night,

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so you won't want to miss it.

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We've been planning on going to the same camp together for about a decade now

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so maybe we can be room mates or something.

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What a decade it's been.

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Tonight's return guest is Bob Waldrop.

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I asked Bob to come back because recently he had a run-in with "John Law"

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with some really heinous criminal offenses--we're going to talk about those tonight.

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As one of the most senior activists on peak oil and peak oil preparedness

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we all want to know what happens to Bob and each other,

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and how he'd dealing with it and what he's learned.

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But I'm also really glad that he's here tonight,

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because it's just been a hell of a week,

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and I'd like to get over it like two old farts sittin',

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drinkin' a beer at the end of the day... [Bob Waldrop laughs in the background]

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We... I hear him laughing out there. We need to talk about what happened in Tucson

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and how it's being dealt with because it's becoming clear

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Before I go to Bob, there's some lines from a Jackson Browne song...

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Jackson Browne, I think, is the poet laureate of American music

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and he's had more influence on me musically than probably anybody else

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except for Neil Diamond, Don Henley, and Stephen Stills.

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But I just love the man and I love his wisdom, and these lines

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have been running through my head ever since Tucson:

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"And who are the ones we call our friends? These governments killing their own.

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"Til the people just can't take anymore, and they pick up a gun,

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"or a brick, or a stone, and there are lives in the balance."

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And that's really the weight I think that sits on all of us tonight,

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so I'm really happy to have a guy who I consider to have great wisdom.

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(Michael C. Ruppert) -Bob, are you there now that I'm finally done talking? Hi Bob.

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(Bob Waldron) -Oh I'm here, and I've been enjoying listening to you,

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(BW) -it's been very fascinating. The whole Zeitgeist thing...

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(BW) -I'm gonna look up when I'm done, and...

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(MCR) -Yeah, you should. (BW) -I'm always glad to find new stuff.

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(MCR) -They have done some amazing work.

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I have nothing but respect for the organization and I really want

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to see all of us sitting down and having a summit somewhere

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that may be a bridge too far, but I'm kind of moving in that direction...