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Jacque Fresco-Oct 12, 2010-Investigating Behavior (1/5)

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I don't even want to cut down that branch..that other thing unless we can move it somewhere but we're going to cut that branch down. Jacque and Roxanne appear to be resting up and recovering from lecturing about 7 months abroad. Sorry to the people in Canada for the last few lectures that had to be canceled. Also anyone out there that is able to do transcribing for some of the talks if you could contact me we'd be very grateful for that if you could send me an email. This talk Jacque gave August 12, 2010 and I'll be uploading over the next few days in parts. Jacque - We're talking about investigating the nature of human behavior. I think that what might help, is if you go back in time and take some primitive people, when I say primitive I mean like outlined districts, headhunters of the Amazon. If you open a watch and show them the back mechanism, they can't say how complex how beautifully machined. They can't do that, you understand why? anyone got a problem with that? Roxanne - hold on, this video's not on. It's on camera. Yeah, press record. Roxanne - Yeah I thought you had done that, sorry, yeah ok go ahead Jacque Jacque - You gotta listen to every word because they can't do it. Now, if a psychologist wants to know how the brain works. (Say or neurologist, what it does have you move your fingers?) and pick up what area of the brain is active. You understand? Then thinking, solving problems so they can map out what area becomes active. That's all they can do. But they can't tell you if it's right wrong good or bad. They can map out areas of the brain by hitting your knee and getting - picking up electronic signals, from different parts of the brain, you can map out the brain. But that doesn't tell you how the brain works. do you understand that up to know? OK. There are many people who try to study the mind, you can't study the mind. It's like taking primitive technology, way back a hundred years ago, giving them a transistor, saying 'what is it?' - they can't say what it is. They don't know what a transistor is. They don't know what a capacitor is. They don't know what a vacuum tube is. So alls they can do is cut it. Now if you bring a chemist in, he can tell you what comprises a transistor - certain amount of magnesium, silicone - you know what i mean? But he can't tell you what it is. Is that real clear? Studying the brain does not tell you anything about it. You have to study the brain's reaction in relation to the environment. The brain is a responding mechanism. When you shine a bright light in the eye it responds. So,you can say, this is how much of a response, how little a response, But you can't tell what it is. Studying the brain gives you nothing, unless you study it in relationship to the environment. A bird with wings can't fly where there's no air, and it'll stop flying if you can put an oxygen mask on the bird and he'll flap his wings and he won't get off the ground, he wont even try to fly after a while. Only with air there will he move. You understand? Now if you beat down one wing with more pressure, you turn the wing into the wind, and beat down, he'll bank A bird does not know how to fly instinctively. He beats his wings different ways and if it gets him to where he wants to go (by turning down?) he moves forward. If he turns it this way he stops in midair, if he's a humming bird. Studying the bird you have to study the environment the bird lives in. Do you understand that? There's no way you can dissect the brain and say this is what a mans like, except in context of the environment. Is that real clear? So, if I wanna study human behavior, what i'm really studying is the reactions of human beings in a given environment. I can't study human behavior, I can study their reactions. When somethings hot they move away from it. When it's cold they might move toward it, it all depends. If a man goes down to the river and he reaches for it, he usually can't get it. If he hits it with a club its faster than his hand reaction, he might catch fish that way, clubbing them. - The primitive brain doesn't look any different. If you have a billion associations with boo boo, a bunch of metaphysical stuff, billions of associations, they are (calming?) Because you believe somebody who gave you those associations to know what they're talking about. You don't even have to know what they're talking about, if the chief says something it's so. If the king says something it's so. If a politician says something its so. Right now they're concerned with foreclosures on banks. They're concerned with giving banks money, and the banks didn't use that money for the purpose intended. So they have words like fraud. You can't do anything that way, you have to take in the whole picture and ask, what is it that you want? what kind of world do u want? So, i have drawings of different cities, those cities have an end goal they're not just cities. The goals of those cities are to make things relevant to people that they respond to. There's no other way. Now people that live in the city, have many different reactions to the city - 'it's my home, my grandfather was born there - my favorite city' but they really don't understand what a city is, what it serves. Now they use words like shelter, home is ashelter, but when you wear a diving suit and you go underwater, thats a closed environment,shelter for underwater living. If a man goes out into space he brings with him the air in his suit and in that suit he has all kinds of equipment he may need on that mission. If you give him a book, a novel to take out into space, it's dead weight, it doesn't serve anything. If you give him an emergency book of what to do, when oxygen stops or something goes wrong, that's something. But a book about how seminal indians treat fish, would have no use in space Our society is loaded with 'how seminal Indians treat fish'. there's lots of superfluous information superfluous to the needs of people. Must everything be scientific? If it is not it's less valid. Is there a place for none scientific? By none scientific do you mean, speculative notions? or scientific is 'I don't know, let's try to find out'. does it mean you'll find out? Not necessarily. You'll find out if you have the appropriate needs. so you can't ask 'what is the brain?' Or 'how does it work?' except for context of the situation. I think there's some animals that respond to largeness. A bear when he stands up, he doesn't try to impress you with his size when he stands up, he stands up and if you react he just stands up again. But it's not 'I'm going stand up so i'll look bigger, so I'll scare the guy' a bear doesn't think that way. that wants to study human behavior is brought up to believe in free will to start with so he's already jammed. He's already hurt, 'cause he can't look at anything objectively there's no such thing. He can only write down when a man see's larva if he sticks his finger in it burns he stays away from it. He can only do that. Now the chemist wants to know what larva is. He says 'there's so much magnesium, so much melted rock' but he still puts a label on it he calls it 'larva'. That means a word used assigned to something. If a person misbehaves or behaves very badly, or behavior unrelated to the situation, like I've seen a kid get run over by a car and the mother says 'he can't be dead he must be alive. He can't be dead. meaning the situation is unacceptable. She's responding more on a feeling tone rather than relevant. Sometimes if you like somebody and die immediately you say 'he can't be dead he was just (old?) having a bowl of oatmeal' you know? so, you can't do that. You can only say that 'I didn't expect that' or 'highly improbable, I thought it was anyway. You can only talk about your relationship. if you meet with a person and say,( I'm going to exaggerate here), they have a thousand neural associations y'know? In the brain, and then you meet a person with forty thousand associations, when you talk there's more response. Less response with less associations do you understand that? If a person's very simple he says 'god wanted it that way that's why it's that way' well that doesn't tell you a damn thing, except that persons reaction. Using reason does not work unless you equip them with the tools of reason. Now there are no tools of reason except specific tools of reason - how to fly a kite, how to build a wheel - that's specific reason. But general reasoning, can not be imparted to people particularly like things the way they are, meaning if their reactions are very simple. Now the reason most people behave badly or poorly is because they understand simple things. A person once said to me, 'when I ask you a question I never get an answer, I get a lecture. because there are no answers. If a guy says 'why does my brother get angry all the time?' - 'because he gets angry that's why!' well that doesn't tell you anything. So you've got to remember if a persons that simple you don't have the time to fill in all that detail, unless they say 'I'd like to know step by step, what made my brother get angry. that's good 'cause it shows some kind of inquiry, even if they learn the words and don't know what it means. Now you have to prove to them that most lenguage is based upon primitive reactions. like if lightning occurs a primitive might think that nature is angry, or god is angry, or the god of lightning is angry whatever they do. If they're at that level you don't want it. But if you take native children away from their parents you can bring them up to the modern world. No matter how primitive a person is, If you take their babies, you can make them scientific, chemists anything. but taking an adult is jamming the whole associative system. If you bring a primitive person to an airport hedoes not look at the airplane in terms of the wings and the struts and the landing gearand wonder at all those components, he can't do that, he can look and grin Just like you look at a tree when you're not into plant anatomy. You can't see the tree. An anatomist see's more of the tree, a plant physiologist than you do, or you may see clearer than he does, but he knows what to look for. Like whether it's the rings of the tree that tell him how old the tree is, or the width of the rings whether there was a drought or flood at that time, he has learned to read, or she has learned to read nature. When I say there's no such thing as human nature, there's human reactions to the environment. Some are relevant some are completely irrelevant, knowing the difference, the guy says 'why did you beat the hell out of your kid?' he's way off the subject, the guy might say 'my kid didn't listen to me' that isn't the answer, it's the whole story, you know what i mean? so when normal people - normal meaning having simpler reactions, you can't discuss human nature with them 'cause they have a fixed notion already of what human nature is - some inborn propensities or characteristics that are passed on generation after generation. And if behavior were fixed we'd still be living in caves.                   Subtitulado por Kevin R.

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Posted by: zeitgeistbrasil on Oct 18, 2010 Lecture in 5 parts from Oct.12, 2010

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