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- Hi, everyone.
Welcome to our broadcast.
Up till now, we have been
working on all the pieces.
So we've done the free stack,
we've done the hand stack.
And then, in the last episode,
we talked about movement
and how to train good movement.
In this episode, what
we're going to do
is start putting
it all together.
And what you're going
to see is that, as much
as you might have trained
each piece, when you put it
all together, it's
something in itself
that has to be trained, joining
all the pieces together.
The other thing we're
going to be looking at
is working puppies in
groups, because working
them alone is very
different from working them
with other puppies.
So we have some
volunteers, here, today,
who are going to help be
our little demo dog show.
So, yeah, here they are.
So here's-- Annie
Glaser's leading the pack.
Annie has one of
our puppies, Naboo.
And this is Heidi
Clayton, she's going
to be showing one of
her own puppies, Sushi.
And this is our judge,
Karen Iacobellis.
Karen is a junior handler
judge, and she trains--
she teaches junior handling.
And she and her daughter breed
Vizslas, very successfully,
under the carriage
and kennel name.
And she has a real passion
for handling and teaching
junior handling.
So we're really fortunate
to have her with us.
She's going to give
you-- us a lot of insight
into the handling process
and what the judge sees.
So, OK, ladies, why don't
you get your dogs ready.
And Karen and I are going
to talk a little bit
about ring procedure.
So I want to talk
to you a little bit
about ring procedure, even
though this episode is not
about ring procedure, per se.
We're going to do
another episode,
after this, where we
actually take you from--
everything from
picking up your number
to where to stand
to get your prize.
So we're not really talking
a lot about that, per se,
but we are going to
introduce it as it
relates to training
and training yourself
and your dog in the ring.
So Karen, every judge has to
do the same thing, basically.
They have to-- they have
to consistently examine--
you know, go over the
dog, examine the mouth,
check for testicles,
move them all around,
watch their front
and rear movement.
But they-- do they do it
all in the same order?
- No, they-- they
don't usually have to.
They sometimes bring them
in and line everybody up,
usually in catalog order.
- Mm hm.
- Some judges walk
down the line.
Some judges--
- So they're looking at it
from the side, you mean?
- Yeah, some.
Or they'll stop in the front
and then go to the side.
- Oh, that's tricky.
- Yes.
[LAUGHTER]
So you have to be-- you have
to really be on and watch.
Some judges will
just let you-- check
you-- check you in, get in
line, and then move you around.
And the first time around,
it's just to make sure
that everybody is sound.
- Mm hm.
But you're always making
an impression, right?
- Absolutely.
Absolutely.
- So that first
time they go around,
they all go around
together as a group?
- Yes.
- Or-- OK.
- Yes.
Usually, they'll put-- usually--
most of the time I see that
they all move around together.
- And then, does
the judge usually
look in one area of the ring?
- Yes, usually.
They-- usually, they're
moving in a group.
And I just know,
for myself, too,
there's usually a dog
that will catch my eye,
and I will maybe follow that dog
a little bit more than others.
- Mm hm.
Mm hm.
- But you should
always, you know,
be watching where the
judge is when you're
going to be moving along.
- See where the
judge is looking?
- Yes.
- Because I've noticed,
a lot of times,
the judges will tend to--
especially very
experienced judges,
will tend to just
look like at one spot.
- Yes.
- And so you know--
- So you-- that's
like the stage.
- That's like the stage.
So you know that's your spot.
- Exactly.
That's where you have to be on.
- Again, even though,
technically, they're
just checking for soundness.
- Yes.
- Because the judge has to
excuse any dog that's lame.
- Right.
- I mean that's the first
pass that they had to do that.
- Exactly.
- But you said something
I thought was really very
profound, that you said you--
really count how many steps you
have in front of the judge.
- Mm hm.
Yes, exactly.
- And you said,
it's so few, right?
- Right.
Exactly.
You only get a short amount
of time to really be on.
So you really have to try
to hit it right as you're
moving past your judge.
- OK.
That's-- that's great.
- And it's, again,
the other thing, too,
like first impressions.
- Right.
- You know?
Like if there's a
dog or two that's
going to really stick out.
- Catch your eye?
- Yes.
- And this is
really interesting,
though, talking to
Karen, because now Karen
and her daughter breed
vizsla, which are--
it's a movement breed,
wouldn't you say more?
- Yes.
- Whereas with the--
- A sporting dog.
- --with the terriers, it
tends to be a type breed,
more about type.
And so one very experienced
bull terrier judge
told me, Jane, listen, when I
walk down the line, when I--
I already know who
I'm going to put up.
I don't even need
to move the dogs.
And it's, well, our dogs
are naked as are yours.
But it's not--
with our dogs, it's
really not usually about
movement as it is about type.
And that is coat,
head, eye, ear.
Not as much with vizsla, right?
- No.
- It's more-- it's a--
it's a hunting dog.
- Yes.
It's actually-- it's
actually a dog that
needs to be able to perform
what it was bred to do.
- Right.
- And that is to be able
to hunt all day long.
- Mm hm.
- So they have to be
structurally correct and move,
effortlessly.
- And bull terriers
have to do what
they're bred to do, too,
which is to look great--
- [LAUGHS]
- --and be funny, which they do.
OK, so-- so what would be like
a-- a normal ring procedure?
What would you like line them
up here and then bring them
around and over to here?
- Yes.
- Does that sound good?
- Yeah, that sounds fine.
- S0-- so, OK.
So now, let me just
bring something else up.
And again, you're going
to have to kind of imagine
this a little bit.
Because when you go to
a dog show-- and this
is review for a
lot of you, but I
know there are some people that
haven't even been to a dog show
yet.
So I'm going to go over this.
There'll be-- there'll
be dogs in the ring.
You hope that your judge
will be judging other dogs
in the ring before you.
And the reason you hope
this is that, as you're
waiting outside, you want to
see what that judge's ring
procedure is.
Because, again,
like some judge--
we didn't even get to the
end of your ring procedure.
- Right.
- So let's talk more.
We'll talk more about it.
But judges can vary in
their ring procedure,
and you want to be ready and
know where you need to go next.
Because, if you're prepared,
you'll never feel rushed.
If you know-- but if you're
standing there, waiting,
and waiting for someone
to tell you what to do,
then you have to scramble
and get into position.
And that's going to make
you feel very rushed.
Now, all that having
been said, that
doesn't mean that,
if you have a puppy,
it's all going to
work out for you.
But it will always be better.
- [LAUGHS]
- The best outcome is to
have the time to prepare.
So Karen, let's talk
about this again.
So we set up the dogs here.
We move them for soundness.
And they stopped, lined up here.
- Yes.
- And then now what happens?
- So at this point,
I would come out
and maybe take another
look at the line.
- OK
- Or I would just start to
examine my first exhibit.
- So you-- so, as an exhibitor,
I should know enough to step
up--
- You should have-- yes.
- And I may say to you,
like, stack your dog.
- Or even before you leave--
- Yes.
- --you'll say.
But as an exhibitor, so
that's the first thing
that you really need to know.
- Or I would give
you that information.
Take them all around.
And the first dog's
set up for me.
- Set up here?
- Yes.
- So that's what that means--
- Exactly.
- --is set up?
OK.
So-- so then, the first
dog-- so I'm the first dog.
I'm set up.
And now what happens?
- OK, so I would examine.
- Mm hm.
- Take a look back.
- Mm hm.
- Come in front.
- Mm hm.
- Have you show me the bite.
Go over--
- Now is that always true,
that I'm show the bite?
- No.
- Sometimes the judge will.
- More and more, more judges
are asking you to show the bite.
So that's another thing that
you have to be prepared to do.
Because, for many
years, judges--
most judges looked at the bite.
- Why did they stop
doing that, you think?
- There was the flu
that was going around.
And it transmit-- yeah.
- Yeah, touching.
- So we didn't want to
transmit from mouth to mouth.
- And it makes sense.
- Yes.
I think it's a great idea.
- I do, too, yeah.
- But you have to
be ready to do that.
You can't assume that the judge
is going to look at that mouth.
Another reason to be
prepared and watch to see--
- And have watched to see if
the judge is looking or not.
- --how the judge
is going to do that.
- OK.
- Exactly.
- OK.
So now you've gone over my dog.
- So now I've gone
over your dog.
And just, we'll do
a down and back.
For instance--
- Mm hm.
- --I will send
you to that corner.
- And just for-- and normally,
you would do the diagonal.
But let's go this way just
because Mark is there.
- OK.
- But just so noted,
that can also vary.
- Exactly.
- Sometimes it can be this way.
More often, I would
say it's diagonal.
- Yes.
- Because you have
a little longer.
But we're going
to do here today.
- OK, so if we-- even if
we did a triangle this way.
We could--
- Well, we'll do both.
- OK.
- But, yeah, let's do
the down and back first.
- OK, so the down--
- Mm hm.
- --and then back to me.
- Mm hm.
- And then I would ask
them-- at this point,
I wouldn't do a down and
back in triangle, but--
- No, no.
I'm saying we'll
show the triangle.
- We'll show it.
And then from that
point, I would
ask them to take their
dog all the way around.
- OK.
- And that would be all
the way around the ring--
Mm hm.
--to the end of the line.
- OK.
All right, so that
would be one, typical--
typical--
- Ring procedure.
- --ring procedure.
I mean-- and I mean, I don't
know what, really, variations
there would be other then
it might be a triangle,
which we reviewed--
we did last time.
But we will review
after we do this one.
- You seem to do that
more in your breed
than we do with
the sporting ones.
- We do.
But it's going away.
The AKC doesn't like it.
It takes up too much time.
- Yes, it takes up too
much time, exactly.
- Yeah, they feel it
takes up a lot of time.
- Yes.
- So it's a kind of--
I think it's a
bit of a dinosaur.
But we still do it--
- Yeah.
- --because we do
everything weird.
- [CHUCKLE]
- So, yeah.
So then-- so then, OK.
So then, now let's say
I'm the second dog in.
- OK.
- So now there's a
dog in front of me.
- OK.
- What is your advice for
me as far as being aware?
- I would just watch.
And as that dog--
as I'm sending
that dog around, I
would make sure that I would
have my dog ready to set up.
Because I'm going
to watch this dog.
- You'll step forward
a little, usually.
- Yes.
And I will watch
this dog come around.
- And that will vacate
a spot for me to--
- Absolutely.
- --be here.
- So when I turn around, I
would like you to be ready.
- Ta-dah.
- Yes.
- We hope, ta-dah.
- Exactly.
[LAUGHTER]
- Ta-dah.
- Hopefully.
- Or uh-oh.
- Yeah, uh-oh.
Whichever it is if it's a puppy.
- Yes.
- So again, this is an example
of where you would just
have to be aware of what's
going on, so that when you--
so that when the
judge is there, you
are showing your dog
to your best advantage.
- Exactly.
- And I just would add
one other thing here
is that, if it's a big
class, you really should
note which dog is ahead of you.
- Absolutely.
- Because it can get
to be a cluster under--
this is usually a tent,
here, on this end.
That's why we call
it, under the tent.
It can just get to be a cluster.
And everybody relaxes.
And, you know, if there's
10, 20 dogs there,
people are playing with
their dog, sitting down.
They're not-- And you really
need to know who was in front
of you--
- Absolutely.
- --so that you're ready
to go when it's time.
- Absolutely.
- And then, OK.
So then-- so then, now, I go.
And now what happens?
So now you've
examined everybody.
- So now that-- now that
I've examined everybody,
you were the dog
that came around.
So now, at this point,
I would come back.
And I would want to
take another look.
- OK, so, typically,
would you come down
the front or the side first?
- I would probably
come down the front.
- Mm hm.
Mm hm.
- Especially with
your breed, I probably
would want to take
another look at heads.
- And what would you
be looking at when
you're looking at heads?
- I'd be looking at
size, shape, expression.
- Expression?
So would you like kind of
kiss to the dog a little bit?
- Yeah.
- So, I mean, that's
something you just
want to be aware of
when she's coming down.
- Mm hm.
- Like, if anything,
as the judge is coming,
if you see the judge
squeaking with their voice
or making noise, just kind of
get out of the way a little bit
and let the dog--
- Let me-- exactly.
- Yeah, let the dog
look at the judge.
- Exactly.
- That's what-- OK.
- And so then I would go.
I would do the same thing.
You know, if I have
a really tough class,
maybe, I would want to,
perhaps, in a large class,
maybe move them again, maybe
check a couple down and backs
to compare.
- OK.
You might pull some out to
stack together in the middle.
- Exactly.
I may have a couple
go around together.
- I'm going to have you--
I'm going to have--
I'm going to face this way
so you can sort us into--
- Yeah.
Typically, I would
compare a couple of them,
maybe, if there are a
couple I really like.
Usually, judges will only do
that if it's dogs that they
are considering placing.
- Mm hm.
Mm hm.
- If they're having a
hard time determining--
- If there's a bigger--
- Yes.
So I would move those around.
And then, at that
point, watch those.
And then come back out
again, and then start
to make my placements.
- Make your placements?
Awesome.
- Yes.
So you should, at that point,
have your dog like ready.
And--
- So you should know--
- Be paying attention to where
I am, so, when I point to you,
you come out.
- So-- so, in addition,
it raises another point.
Not only should you know
what dog's ahead of you,
you should know
which dog was last.
Because the-- when the
last dog is being examined,
you can assume, when
that judge turns around,
after they send them
around that last time,
that judge is going to be
taking another look at your dog.
- Absolutely.
- So that's, again, when
you want to be ready.
I think what I'd like to do--
unless you have something else--
- No.
That's really it.
- --is to bring them in.
And I'm going to get
my puppy, too, and show
how I'm waiting outside.
And I'm going to kind
of annotate what's
going on over here with them.
OK.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS]
[BARKING]
I'll be waiting out here.
Now, normally, there
would be another person
in the ring, a steward, that
would assemble the class.
But Karen being--
we're going to-- she's
going to play both the
steward and the judge today.
[BARKING]
HEIDI CLAYTON: Shut up.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS]
- Come here.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS]
Rocky, I'm going to take
that from you, because you're
annoying with it.
Yeah.
Stay here.
- OK, so you're--
are we coming in?
- Yeah, have them--
assemble the class now.
- OK, so number one.
- Sushi, let go.
- Come here.
- Two.
- Take it easy.
Take it easy.
That might be a little
too much mojo for you.
- Two.
- Oh, no, I'm going to wait out.
- You're going to wait out?
OK.
- So this is like
I'm watching now.
See, here's what-- here's
what I recommend that you do.
So now I'm watching.
I say, OK, the judge
is bringing them in.
She's setting them over here.
So I know where to go.
I'm going to already--
Go ahead, Karen,
just carry on as if.
- OK
- I'm going to
already know where
I am in the catalog order.
So I know that, in
the catalog order,
I'm going to be in the middle.
So I'm scoping out the ring.
Now, this is-- this is
the dead level ring.
Just like I'm not even here.
- So I'm going to take
you around together.
JANE KILLION: So it's not--
- Stop back here and set there.
JANE KILLION: There's
no strategy there.
- Dog up, please.
- Now.
HEIDI CLAYTON: You ready, Annie?
- So Heidi's asking
Annie, if she's ready,
which is the polite thing to do.
And here they go
around the ring.
What a beautiful class.
- A very nice class.
[LAUGHTER]
JANE KILLION: Now, I just
want you guys to notice
that Annie had to stop there.
And keep going,
don't listen to me.
[LAUGHS] pretend I'm not here.
- OK.
- But Annie had to stop there.
Now that's something
we're going to talk about
is that you have to gauge and
leave enough space, between you
and the dog in front of you,
so that you don't get caught,
and you have to stop
moving like that.
You're doing great, Annie.
- Thank you.
- Sorry for throwing
you under the bus.
So now she's going
to go over now.
- Stand.
JANE KILLION: So now, because
there's only two in the class,
Annie's going to
go ahead and just--
- Stand.
JANE KILLION: --wait.
She's stacking her dog.
She's not really going to let
her-- let her relax, too much.
But if it were a
bigger class, you
would want that second dog to
be just at ease, to relax a bit.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: Let's
do a down and back.
- So here comes
the down and back.
- Stop.
Stand, please.
- OK, Heidi, I'm going
to critique you a little.
I want you to do that one again.
Because, when you did that--
wait, wait, wait, come back.
- Wait, wait, wait.
- Look.
Come back and look
where Karen is.
So Karen, face there.
Now I want to make sure--
do a little courtesy turn,
over here, to the right--
we'll talk about that--
so that when she takes
off, she's moving-- right,
that's it.
- There you go.
- There you go.
Now, Karen can see
her, right, Karen?
- Right.
- Now come back in.
And don't stop so close.
That a girl.
- That a girl.
- Stop.
Right there.
- Right there.
- Beautiful.
Now Karen can see her.
- Nice job, Heidi.
- We'll talk more about that.
But you want to stop far
enough away that the judge can
actually assess the dog.
You'll see judges, as--
- OK.
- --as the dogs are coming in.
They'll go like this--
- Take her all the way around.
- --to the handlers,
like stop, stop.
It's really almost
like 3/4 of the way
down that you want to stop.
You want to leave a good amount.
Now look at-- oh,
look at Annie go.
She's an animal.
Look at her go.
She's all ready.
- [LAUGHS]
- She's competitive.
- Whoops.
- Good girl, Bijou.
[SQUEAK]
- May I see the bite, please?
OK.
- Hold on.
- Very nice.
OK.
- All right, down and back.
Here it comes.
- Down and back.
- We'll see if Annie--
Annie watched.
Yes, Annie.
- OK.
- Look at her go.
She knows.
- Good job.
- So if you're
indoors, and you're
doing a down and back or
any movement, remember,
the dog goes on the mat.
So you always want to look
at the judge and the--
- Very nice.
- --where the mat is and--
I know.
I'll pick that up--
and the judges.
And make sure-- very
nicely done, Annie.
- Very nice.
OK, all the way around.
- Come here.
And make sure that
the dog is on the mat
and that you're presenting
the dog to the judge not you.
I mean, I'm sure you're all--
the judge is
interested (LAUGHING)
very much in seeing
you all, but they're
more interested
in seeing the dog.
All right, now see,
Heidi's ready for it.
She's like, OK, I know.
She's-- the judge is
going to come down.
And I think it's a tie.
- Yeah, I-- I do.
- I thinks it's one-one.
- I have two blue ribbons.
[LAUGHTER]
- OK.
[LAUGHTER]
So you guys come on out.
That was very well done.
- Good job.
- So now, pretend that they're
two other dogs, because now
we're all going
to go in together.
And I think I'm going to--
I'm going to run
Bijou at the end.
- OK.
- So she's going
to be the last one.
Now what I want to
say, before I do this,
is that those of you that
were with us last time,
you remember that
Bijou's big thing is
that she tends to want to
move with her head down.
And we've been
working a lot on it.
And it's really good.
But in a class situation,
she'll still do it.
So for this first
time, I'm just going
to go with the flow on it.
But then, we'll come
back, afterwards,
and we'll actually
do some training.
I'm trying to sort of lay
down the framework of what
we're doing.
And then we're going to
come back and break it
down and train it.
Those of you that do
performance sports are probably,
you know, familiar
with this, like you--
you try to run the
whole course, first.
And then you see where
your weaknesses are.
And you go, and
you break it down.
So now I'm going to go.
I'm going to be number three.
I'm going to go in third.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: OK.
- So.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: OK.
- Do you guys want to
switch it up just for her?
Do you want Daphne
to go in first
just for the practice for Sush?
OK, go ahead.
Oh, boy.
- [LAUGHS]
- Here we are.
OK, come here, girlfriend.
[CHIRRUPING]
Good girl.
- Good job.
- So now I'm watching Karen.
And I see she's looking
at the first dog.
So I'm-- and I'm like, OK,
she's going to come looking down
the--
Now she's coming down the front.
Stand.
Stand up, baby.
There she is.
Now, I'm just going
to gently put my hand
back here, so that I can--
that helps a little.
I'm not actually pulling her.
- Mm hm.
- Now she's coming to the side.
And I'm going to make sure
that I present the side.
She's a little stretched,
but there it is.
Stay.
- Very good.
Nice.
- Stay.
Stay.
Now I'm going to feed.
The judge is walking away.
Feed your dog.
You have to reinforce it, OK?
Because we tend to
get so caught up
in getting it right,
that we forget,
every moment you're in here,
you're training your dog.
Whether you are purposefully
training or not,
you are shaping your dog.
So as soon as the dog is
giving you that nice stack,
and the judge walks
away, reward the dog.
Good dog.
Right?
Good girl.
OK.
So now--
- OK.
Let's move them together.
- OK.
Let's move.
Let's see how that goes for us.
Yeah?
OK, ready?
- [CHUCKLES]
- So now what I'm going to do
is give-- what go ahead, Heidi.
Oh.
- Away from me.
- I'm going to give
Heidi lots of room.
And I'm feeding
my dog so my dog--
so my puppy does not see the
dog in front of it take off.
Because what will
happen is, a lot
of times, when they see that
dog in front of them take off,
they just pull like
a freight train.
Good girl.
[LAUGHTER]
But if you can actually have
them not see that one moment,
where the dog in front
of them takes off,
it can sometimes head
it off at the pass.
OK, so now I know that
I have two dogs left.
So I'm going to go
over in this corner.
And I'm going to let my
dog play a little bit.
I mean she's a puppy.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS]
Good girl.
- OK, I guess we'll
just go a little early.
- Now, in a class this
size, I would never
use a squeaker in real life.
It's just not fair.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS]
If you have like, you
know, a ton of dogs,
and you can get
way under the tent.
But generally speaking--
- Looking good.
- --it's not fair
to use a squeaker.
Good girl.
So--
- Down and back.
- --you should have some kind of
toy that wouldn't-- that would
not upset--
upset the other dogs.
Or you can just do little
hand-- little, what we call,
naked games.
Are you ready?
Do you want the cookie?
Where's the cookie.
- Very nice.
- Where's the cookie?
Get the cookie there.
- OK.
- Yeah.
Now, if it were a
really big class,
I would not be playing
with my dog right now.
- OK.
- If it were a really big class,
I would just be sitting here,
and I'd be doing some massage.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: Thank you.
- But as the dog in front
of me is coming up, again,
I'm going to get her
up with some play.
[WHOOSHING SOUNDS] So you
know, if this were a big class,
I would have sat down.
I would have massaged her a bit.
Then, as there's maybe
two dogs ahead of me,
I would've played
with her a little bit.
And then, as the dog
ahead of me is going,
I'm going to put her
back into the work mode.
You'll just bury your
dog if you insist
that they show the whole
time they're in the ring.
You want them to be--
[WHOOSHING SOUNDS]
A stack-- again,
we've talked about this-- has
a very short shelf life on it.
- Nice.
- And if you-- if you're asking
your dog to stack through
a whole class or stand there
and behave itself, I mean--
- OK, all the way around.
- --by the time it's your turn,
the dog's going to be flat.
So here, she's-- I'm going
to wait till she goes
and the judge is turned away.
And now I'm going to stand up.
Good girl.
Hey, nice kickback, girl.
Stay.
Stay.
Stay.
Put that foot back.
Come on, step up.
Good girl.
There you go.
- OK.
Now I know the
judge is coming in.
So I'm going to just--
go ahead, sweetheart.
Yeah, good girl.
So I know that this is going
to be a very exciting for her.
So I'm going to kind of get
down here and start rubbing her
behind the neck a little,
so that she doesn't lose
her mind when the judge comes.
And I'll fix her feet if I
have to, because she's probably
going to wiggle.
Good girl.
Now that the judge is
moving down the dog,
I'm going to move
more toward the front.
So when the judge--
yeah, I know.
- [LAUGHS]
- We know it's very exciting.
So when the judge is coming
in at the front of the dog,
you kind of want
to get behind them.
Is that right, Karen?
- That's right.
- And then move this way.
- Yes.
- Now-- now, she's going
to take another look.
I'm down here.
- Nice.
- OK.
Good girl.
- OK.
- And now I know we're going to
have to do the down and back.
- Down and back.
- Let's see if I can
follow my own instructions.
- [LAUGHS]
- Here, Bij.
Come on.
So here's that
little courtesy turn,
that we talked about, just
to get the dog straight.
Good girl!
- Good job.
- And again, I'm going to
connect with her a little bit
on the corner.
Yes, good girly.
Good girly.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS]
Stand up.
Stay.
Oh, that foot.
You need to kick back
that foot, girlfriend.
Come here.
Good girl.
Good girl.
Stay.
Stay.
- OK, all the way around.
OK, you ready?
Yes.
Yes, we're going to try
and do it loose-leash.
Yeah, she's getting
to be a big girl.
She can do loose-leash.
Look at her go.
Good job.
So now I know I was last.
I'm going to whip
her around here.
So I know I have to
set up, right away.
The other girls have
correctly read it.
- Mm hm.
- Oh, my gosh, I think
it's a three-way tie.
- It is.
Three blues.
- Three blues.
- [LAUGHS]
- But sometimes, at
this point, the judge
might send them all around.
- Yes.
- And you cannot--
well, let me ask you
a question, Karen.
Can I assume-- if you sent us,
all three, around right now,
could I assume, well,
I'm third place?
- No.
- Why is that?
- Never stop showing your dog.
- Why is that?
- Because I'm just--
this may just be my
choice, just to let them--
I just want to take
another look at them.
But I may pull you and
put you right up front.
- Or even moving them around?
- Yeah.
Usually, as they
come around this way,
I'll make my decision.
And I'll say, just
come to the front.
- And it's not always--
I mean, not every judge
will necessarily put them
in the position before--
- No.
- --they start moving them.
- Nope.
- So you never give up.
- You always show.
You continue to show.
Exactly.
- Fantastic.
- Exactly.
- Fantastic.
- So that's what
we're going to do.
We're going to take
them all around.
- Whoa.
And Karen's going to
make a surprise pick.
[LAUGHTER]
- Good girl.
Come here.
Come here.
Come on.
Good girl.
Doing good, Bijou.
Wow.
Doing good.
Doing good.
Good girl.
Yes.
Yeah, I know, it's
still difficult.
It's still difficult.
- So even though I said
to take them all around,
together, I had to
look for Heidi's bitch.
- Why is that?
- --which is-- because she
wasn't like right behind.
So it kind of gives you like
a little bit of an edge there.
Like, all of a sudden,
there's no dog, and then
all of a sudden, wow.
- There's a dog.
- There's a really nice--
yeah.
- So it-- so it helps?
- It does help.
- It does help to put
a little more space.
- This way, there is more space.
You have more control over
your puppy at that point.
Even though I'm saying, take
them all around together,
they are going
together, they're just
not right on top of each other.
- Let me come here
and ask you this.
So now let's talk a
little bit about strategy,
for-- for like, when you say to
take them all around together.
- Mm hm.
- So you just said that a little
more space sometimes is good,
because it pops the dog.
- Right.
- But you had mentioned a
couple of other scenarios
last time we talked--
[BARKING]
--like as far as strategy,
with how much space to leave.
- Yes I may be, if I
didn't have the best mover,
I may just let that
follow right behind.
I may not leave as much space.
- Interesting.
[BARKING]
Because you don't
want to stick out.
- You don't want to
stick out, especially
if you're able to watch
the dog, in front of you,
and you see that it's
a very nice mover,
you know, for us, in our breed.
- There was also something
you mentioned that I thought,
honestly, I'd never
thought about,
but about where to
stack, laterally,
like if you have a
big or a small dog.
- Absolutely.
Like if you have
a really big dog,
and the dog in front
of you is really small,
you'd want to pull
your dog in more--
- Toward the--
- --and vice versa.
Right.
So that this way--
and also, too, If you
have a really nice front,
I'd like to see them angled in--
- A little bit more.
- --towards the center.
So that's what the
judge sees right away.
- So they can-- so let's see.
- Or a dog, maybe, that
doesn't have enough neck,
you don't want to be
looking at it straight on.
- I always turn her a little.
- You want it to be--
because it gives us a much
better picture that way.
- You can see her front much
more than you can see her--
- That's great.
- Really great.
- That's great.
Those are great tips.
- Yeah.
- Those are great tips.
- And I think being
with bull terriers,
they tend to give each
other a lot of space.
- Mm hm.
Yes.
[LAUGHS]
- Well, we tend to need to.
- So I always let the dog
run a little bit ahead of me.
- Yes.
But even in the line, I'm--
you know, I always--
I still preach that
to my daughter,
so many years later, to make
sure you leave plenty of room.
Because, this way, if
you're crowded from behind--
[BARKING]
--it gives you more
room to move up.
- Yeah, you always--
and you never have--
[BARKING]
--especially-- especially
with puppies or young dogs,
you really want to see that
dog ahead of you go pretty far.
Because they can just
stop in the middle.
I mean if it's a
puppy, it can stop.
- Absolutely.
- It can start biting its lead.
- I've seen that
before, of course.
Yeah.
- Something like that.
OK, so you know what?
I actually am going to
take Daphne and trade you,
because now I want to break
down a little bit of what-- what
we do as far as the down and
back and the different ring
procedures.
- OK.
- So here, can I trade you?
- Mm hm.
- Thanks.
Bye, Sush.
- [LAUGHS]
- Bye-bye.
Come on, Sushi.
Let's go to the kennel.
- So I want to talk
a little bit-- now,
I want to break it
down a little bit.
And I want to talk
about the down and back.
So there was-- there had been
a lot of questions about,
how do you get expression
on the down and back?
And what I do is I
have one of these--
hold on a second.
Here's-- my husband's typing.
MARK LINDQUIST: What?
- I need you to zoom
in on my little thing.
MARK LINDQUIST: OK.
- I have this little,
tiny squeaker here.
All right, tell me when
you're zoomed in on it.
MARK LINDQUIST: I'm in on it.
- OK.
And that's-- I keep
that right here.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS]
So I can just press on
it or reach in and get it
very quickly.
So, Karen, let's-- if you
can stand over here, again,
we'll do a down and back.
So now, when I do
the down and back--
hey, would you guys do me
a favor and bring me Zulu.
OK.
So when I do the down and
back-- come here, Daph.
So as I'm going down--
come here, girlfriend--
I'm not going to carry the
squeaky toy in my hand,
just because, with my dogs,
they'll lose their mind.
So, come on, girl.
Bidi-bidi.
[CHIRRUPING] Yes, good girl.
Nice job.
And then I'm going to connect
with her, with a little cookie.
And then, as I'm coming, I take
the cookie out of her mouth,
and I'm going to reach in here--
Come on.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS]
Good girl.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS]
--so I can get a
little expression.
Now she's a little-- whssht--
she's a little stacked out.
But still, stand up.
Good girl.
There you go.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS]
Bidi!
And then-- and then, again,
as the judge sends me around,
I'm going to put
away my squeaky,
because she's just going
to lose her mind with that.
I'm going to show her a little
food and connect with her.
And then I'm going to go off.
Now, a couple points about
this go around on the end.
Number one, unlike
the first go around,
where Karen was just looking
for lameness, right here,
and she only ever saw
the dogs from the side,
technically, with this go
around, like we said last time,
she is judging all
sides of your dog.
- Mm hm.
- She sees your dog going away.
She sees your dog
coming from the side
and, potentially,
from the front, too.
So it's a completely
different strategy, right?
So whereas with the
first go around,
you just have to make sure
the dog has hit stride here.
Here, we have to actually sort
of strategize a little bit
as far as speed.
And we talked about
this last time,
how we maybe want to go a
little slower on the away.
- Mm hm.
- And then start--
as you're coming
around the turn,
gain a little speed, so that
you hit your stride as the judge
sees the dog on the long way.
And then, again, yeah, you
probably maintain speed,
but, as you're coming in, if
the judge is still looking,
and you always have to know
if the judge is still looking,
you might slow
down a little bit.
- Mm hm.
So I'm just going to
show you how that looks.
All right, are you ready, Daph?
Oh, and let me also say--
I'm just going throw
it in there, too--
that the squarer your
dog is the more likely
the dog is going to
be to pace going out.
And we talked about
pace last time.
And we showed you
what it looked like.
But it's an incorrect gate,
where the dog uses both--
I shouldn't say incorrect.
- It's a comfortable
way for the--
- For most-- for most dogs,
they don't want to see them pace
in the ring.
And it's-- it's the
same feet on each side,
so it's like this
instead of diagonal.
And square dogs can
tend to do that.
And I don't know why.
So in that case, and if
I'm showing a square dog,
I'm going to actually
come over here
and goose them up a little bit.
And she doesn't really
like toys that much.
But I'm going to be like,
whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo.
Yeah.
Now, she's not square.
She's-- she's correct in the
sense of like she'll always
trot, and she won't pace.
But if I have a square dog, I'd
be more likely to goose them
up a little.
And if they maybe canter one
step, I don't really care.
I just don't really want the
judge to see my dog doing this.
- Pacing.
- So-- so there's that.
And also-- come here.
I know, you still
have more to show.
There is the-- with a dog, with
a young dog, that's correctly--
I shouldn't say "correctly"
made-- that's not square--
because it's correct for
some breeds to be square--
I would give her a little food.
Come on, baba.
[CHIRRUP]
Now, see, I'm going
to go this speed,
and then I'm going to
start to speed up a little
here, so that--
so that she's striding out,
nicely, as she comes around.
Your dog's s always going to be
on the inside in the show ring.
In order for the dog to
maintain a consistent speed,
you're going to have to
travel faster than your dog.
Because you're on the
outside of the circle,
so you have to cover more
ground than your dog does.
If you don't increase
your speed enough,
as you come to
the turn, your dog
will wind up having to
stop, as Daphne is here.
The way in which you
increase your speed
is as important as how much
you increase your speed.
It looks smoother if you
accelerate around the turns
by taking larger steps
not faster steps.
In other words, the
rhythm of your steps
never changes, but
the steps themselves
get longer and cover more ground
in the same amount of time.
In this footage, you can
see how every step takes
the same amount of
time, but the steps
become increasingly larger as
I need to accelerate to keep up
with my dog around the turn.
Can you see the increasing
step length in this clip?
Here it is in slow motion.
Can you see it now?
These changes in the
length of your stride
are often very subtle, but
they make all the difference
in the world.
And then I might
slow down a little.
And then, bwee.
And then, usually,
I'll turn them around,
just because it's easier to
get a good stack at the end.
So, I think that about
covers that second go around.
- Yes.
- Do you have anything
to add to that, Karen?
- No, I think you
about covered that all.
- Now, I mean, and that all--
it's all very easily said.
[LAUGHTER]
But then you have to train that.
And you have to train it
with other dogs in the ring.
Now, you may have noticed--
Mark, the camera?
Honey?
I'm talking.
Hi, guys.
[LAUGHTER]
Mark's trying to-- he's
trying to multitask.
You may have noticed, when I did
the down and back, that I was
sweeping Daphne to the side.
That's a strategy move, and
we're going to talk about that.
So Karen, would you
stand here again--
- Sure.
- --for a second.
So, and I'm going to do
it kind of in slow motion.
What I-- hello?
There is food here.
I know you're retired,
but not that retired.
You need to do a little more.
So what my ideal is to have the
dog right in front of Karen,
OK?
I don't want-- and if I come
straight down, this way,
and then turn her
to the side, Karen's
going to have to step this way
to see my dog from the side.
So when-- if you
are going to show
your dog from the side,
what you want to do is,
you'll have your leash
short, as you're going down.
Come on.
And as you're coming
in, you're going
to let some leash out and
move a little bit to the left
and then to the right, so that
you're ready to get that stack.
Should I do that again?
OK, come on.
[CHIRRUP] So, come here.
So, my leash is short.
I keep-- again, we talked
about this last time.
You want your leash
short but not tight.
I'll throw the loop over
my thumb, so it's there.
And then I'm going to
come in, and I'm going
kick a little bit to the left.
Boop.
Come here.
You're here.
Come on.
Do that again.
You messed it up.
Come on, Daph, one more time.
One more time.
[SQUEAKY-TOY SOUNDS] Yeah, I do.
I have a toy.
Daphne's like, I'm retired.
And you're doing this.
We never do this more than once.
This is ridic-u-lous.
Come on, Daph.
Come here, Daphne.
And that gets her set up
right in front of Karen.
Another point that I'm going
to bring up, while we're here--
step up, babe, step, step.
Thank you.
--is, if you are showing
a puppy or any dog,
and they are rambunctious
on the down and back, Karen,
what's the rule of
thumb as far as re-dos?
- Halfway.
- So if they're--
if you're more--
- Yes.
More than halfway,
you really shouldn't.
But if you're halfway, you
could do it over again.
- You just start all over again.
- Yes, you just come
back and start again.
- And most judges will
be patient with that.
- Absolutely.
Yes, absolutely.
So let me talk about
strategy here, why I do this.
So in our breed--
come here, Daph--
there's a few things.
One is that they should
have this beautiful curve.
See how Daphne's head has
that beautiful curve to it?
And she has a finish
on the end of her nose.
See how nice that--
her nose, her nostrils
actually are bent down.
And that is-- we really
like that in this breed.
Also-- so we like the curve,
and we like the finish.
She also has, you know,
extremely good angles.
She's actually-- I've
got her downhill.
So let me step her uphill,
here, so you can see it better.
I mean she's got
beautiful angles.
She's what we call a
Dalmatian-style bitch.
And it's just-- it--
she moves really well.
She's well-made.
I mean she's short through
the loin but ribbed back.
So, you know, she has--
she's not a square dog.
She's not a short dog.
She moves really well.
She's got nice angles.
So this is what I want to show.
Now, if you look at
her from the front--
come here, Daph.
Come here.
Stand-- here's the
things that I wish
could be better about this dog.
It's that-- I mean, while
she has very decent fill
through here, this
is not-- you know,
we would like to see this
a little bit more in here.
This is a ROM champion bitch.
She's beautiful.
But you still-- you would
like to see a little bit more.
Also, the front, I
mean, you can't really
see it in the grass.
But her feet are not the best.
We're supposed to have
really, really tight cat-feet.
And again, a lot of
times, because she
does have a good
return of upper arm,
she's going to
stand and not look
as tidy as a dog that maybe
is a little straighter
in the upper arm.
It's an example of a
virtue being almost a fault
viewed from a certain angle.
So for her, I would
always present the side.
In my opinion, my
estimation, this
is the best thing
about this dog.
What you have to
be able to do is
what-- when we take
handling classes
our instructor tells us--
our other handling instructor
tells us.
She walks down the line.
She says, tell me what's the
best thing about your dog.
And then she says,
and now tell me
what you would rather
that the judge didn't
see about your dog.
And you need to know those
two things before you go in.
And that goes right back to
our "Stack and Deliver" video
that we did, where you need
to be able to assess the dog
and know what you want to show.
Now, I'm going to show
you the difference.
Heidi, would you go
on her for a second.
Yeah, I'll take Zulu.
Now this is her mother, Zulu.
Now Daphne, is she eight?
She's going to be eight,
I think, in November.
And Zulu's 11.
So these are grande dames.
They're both ROM champions.
And-- and Daphne has three
ROM champion offspring.
So they're fine, fine,
beautiful bitches.
I don't want you to think,
in any way, that this is--
I mean, this is an example
of where I'm saying,
very virtuous animals,
they all have faults.
And they all have virtues.
Now, so I want you to see
the difference, on the front,
on this dog.
So this dog would--
you know, she stands
at the front of you.
And it's like, well, I
know one ear is down.
Stay.
Stay.
But I mean-- stay, stay.
Come on, mama.
Come on.
[CHIRRUPING] Stand.
Stay.
Stay.
I'm just getting my
shadow out of there.
So look at the fill under
the eye on this dog.
I mean look at how--
how big and broad.
Look at how tiny her eyes are.
And the ear placement
is beautiful.
And again, that's something
I didn't mention about Daphne
is her ears could be
tighter on top of her head--
not a big deal.
What?
Yeah, she's missing an ear.
This is what happens
when they get old.
But the ear-- the ear
placement-- singular.
[LAUGHTER]
So I mean this is--
I call her--
I call it-- and this is
your killer front, it's--
we call it.
And she has like a
killer whale smile.
I mean, it's just beautiful.
And at her age,
where they will tend
to start to get
thinner here, you
can still see how
beautifully filled that is.
I mean, that's just a
gorgeous, gorgeous head,
very flat across the
ears, ears high up.
But you know, when you look
at this bitch, from the side--
and again, she's not bad.
But I want you to see
how her nose doesn't
finish like Daphne's nose does.
And she doesn't have quite
as much turn as Daphne does.
And maybe even, she's not as
clever behind the shoulder
as Daphne is.
Maybe she has a little bit
less return of upper arm
than Daphne does.
Stay.
So you know, it's a
different style of bitch,
equally virtuous.
But with this bitch, I'm
always going to stop, head-on
with the judge.
So we'll see if she
remembers how to do that.
- OK.
- Karen, let's do that.
And I just want to say, listen,
people could be watching this
and say, well,
that's bull terriers.
And I have whatever,
kunekune pigs that I show.
And what does that have
to do with kunekune pigs?
And here's the thing, it's
the same for every breed.
There is something--
and that's where
you need a breed
mentor-- that you have
to understand about your dog.
What is good and what
is bad and show it.
I'm only doing this as an
example of how meticulously you
have to go through
and learn this stuff.
And I wish that people were
more forthcoming and, you know,
with it.
But sometimes, it can
take a little while
to get the trust of
somebody to even tell you
this thing in your breed.
- Mm hm.
[LAUGHS]
- Come here.
[CHIRRUP] So-- so Zulu,
so we're going to go down.
Now, I am going to--
now here's how I'm
going to stop her.
Zulu.
Zu-- and I'm going to get in
front of her and stop her.
And then I'm going to
get out of the way.
- Hm?
- Yeah, it's pretty, huh?
- Mm hm.
- I'll do it for the camera
so that they can see it.
- Yeah, that's a great idea.
- Yeah, she's beautiful.
Come here.
Zulu, stand.
Yeah, I mean, look
at that front.
I mean, that's just a gorgeous.
And, you know, I'm only--
normally, I wouldn't do this.
I'm only doing this, because my
shadow kind of gets in the way.
I guess I can do it this
way, and you see it.
That's lovely.
OK.
Good girl.
Stand.
Oho, come here.
So, that's just an
idea of strategy.
Karen, anything-- like you
gave some really good strategy
things about fronts.
And again, with
a dog like this--
let's stack them
up, and let's show
how we might-- how
we would probably do
her, fully flat, and Zulu 3/4.
[CHIRRUPING]
So I might show her a
little bit like this.
Come here, Zulu.
Stand.
Come here.
Zulu's like, oh, I haven't
done this in like 10 years.
- [LAUGHS].
- Come here, stand
up a little bit.
Stand.
Oh, she misses the cookies.
- [LAUGHS]
- Stay.
Yeah, she doesn't have
much of a stay anymore.
Stand.
Good girl.
Go ahead, fix your
foot a little bit.
Oh, she says, I'm
not going to do it.
- [LAUGHS]
- Stand.
Good.
So, yeah, so she's just
like a little bit in,
off of where Daphne is.
So tell me, Karen--
stand.
I mean, you do have
to show the side.
You can't-- like this would be
too much, what I'm doing here.
But tell me what--
- Well, you could still-- you
could still have her angled
in, so that when I'm
coming down the line,
I really have to look.
But as I get to you,
that's right in my face.
- Yeah, that's where
you're going to see.
You're going to see.
- Yeah, that's right in my face.
- Stay.
Yeah, so you can see
that, right there.
- Right.
- Isn't that lovely?
- It is.
- Stay.
I mean, and again, now,
you watching from the side
will see that she's
too stacked far out.
But then, as Karen
comes by, I'll
just step her up a little bit--
- Exactly.
- --so she's not--
- Exactly.
- Good girl.
She's a little--
she's a little rusty.
Good girl.
[LAUGHTER]
So what else, Karen?
I mean, that was-- that was
a great tip about the turning
in, about the size of the dog.
I mean any other things
like vizsla-specific?
- Well, we do that
with vizslas, too.
You know, we're have--
we have a height, you
know, measurement, in our--
- Oh.
--standard.
- Can you wicket out?
Is it disqualification?
- Yes An inch and a half
under or over is a--
- Disqualifier?
- Yes.
- Hm, interesting.
- So, you know, as it should
be, because our standard
says they're a medium
size hunting dog.
So--
- Interesting.
Interesting.
- --they're not supposed
to be too small or too big.
I think we see too big
more than we see too small.
But, if you look at
the dog ahead of you,
and it's really,
really teeny, and you
have a dog that's at
the top of the standard,
you would like to pull
it in a little bit.
Like you wouldn't get
directly in line behind it,
so the judge sees a smaller
dog and then sees your dog.
- [LAUGHS] Yeah, they have
to lift their head up to look
at your dog.
- Exactly.
- Yeah.
- Exactly.
So, and vice versa
for a smaller dog.
- Interesting.
- You know, I would
bring the smaller dog in,
so that you're not looking,
and then like dropping off.
It's closer to you, so it
gives you the illusion that--
- Interesting.
- I mean it's a little
bit of a strategy.
I mean, there's-- they
still are what they are.
But it doesn't look so
out of place like that.
- Well, because, I mean, if the
dog is not the breed standard
height, you're not
going to show the dog.
I mean if it's
going wicket out--
- You should know.
Exactly.
- You should know.
- You should know Before
you even show your dog
whether or not your dog is in--
- But still, you don't want
to be put through that.
- No.
- So what happens is the judge
doesn't measure every dog.
But the judge can decide that
they think that maybe your dog
might be too big or too little.
And they can pull out
a measuring stick--
- Absolutely.
- --a wicket, they call it--
- The wicket.
- --and measure the dog.
And you know, you
just don't want
to be having that happen to you.
- No.
It really takes a lot of time.
And it's-- it's
just, like I said,
you should know before you
show your dog that your dog is
within the standard.
- But even so where it's a big--
OK, and you know,
an example would
be miniature bull terriers,
where it's a big deal that--
small is a big deal.
Because we tend to have a lot
of minis that are very good,
but they're larger.
So you really want to,
you know, strategize.
There's no
disqualification, but you
don't want to put your
huge mini like right
on top of a tiny one.
So you might recede
it a little bit.
Very interesting.
- Absolutely, yes.
Mm hm.
And that's another thing, too,
where you could either maybe
be closer to the
dog in front of you,
if there is a big
difference in size,
if you're in a
bigger class, rather
than leaving like the
gap there, and then they
see that bigger bull
terrier, like a really nice,
smaller mini and
then a larger one.
- Yeah, yeah.
Well, if you were larger,
you'd want to be away.
- Exactly.
- [LAUGHS] If you're smaller,
you want to be next to it.
That's great.
Oh, look who got here, Gina.
Mark, swing around,
say hi to Gina.
She just did that Avon 39.
She did 33 of 39 miles.
GINA BODERCK: 33 of 39.
- Why, I think
that's kind of OK.
And she slept in a pink tent--
- Congratulations.
- --on Randall's Island.
- That's awesome.
- Yeah, it was awesome.
There she is.
That was the walk
for breast cancer.
OK, I'm going to address it.
So one thing was just,
basically, a general comment
that, really, it is bad form to
use the squeaker in the ring.
If it's your turn, I
mean that's your turn.
Like, you can use a squeaker.
But it's just--
listen, I've had people
squeak their squeaker right
before you taking them down.
And, you know, you're just
a loser if you do that.
I'm sorry.
And I've done it by mistake.
And I felt terrible, like
where the dog jumped on me.
Thank you.
Yeah, I know. (LAUGHING) I
mean, really, like big loser.
It happened to me with a
fellow bull terrier competitor.
And I was like, please, I'm--
I like was profusely apologetic.
But it can happen.
But, really, you should never--
you shouldn't be doing anything
to steal from the other dogs.
People do.
But that's why you
also have to have
your own squeaker, because
people-- other people
will do it.
What to do when the dog after
you is too close on the turn
and around that makes your
dog turn the head to see
the one that's back?
Oh, good.
Yeah, that's something you
have to proof for, basically.
Right, Karen?
- Exactly.
Exactly.
- What do you do when
the dog after you
is too close, on the turn
around, when you go around?
That makes your dog turn his
head to see the one behind him.
- Yeah, it's-- at that point,
when you're moving around, too,
there's really--
- There's not much
you can do about it.
- There's not much you
can do the first time.
But I wouldn't have a problem
asking them to leave you room
the next time that
you move around.
- Well, you know-- so a
couple of things about that.
Number one, even
if they're not too
close, I find, with young
dogs, a lot of times,
they are very alarmed by
the presence of a dog.
And they will want to
turn and look behind them.
But they're puppies.
I mean this is what they do.
- Exactly.
- And this is why you
go to handling class
and move them in groups.
And this is why it's important
not just to practice alone
but to go to handling class, to
do sweepstakes, to do matches,
so they get used to it.
- Exactly.
- And I find, usually,
until they're about a year
and a half old, they're kind
of still very like distracted
by what's going on.
Right?
- Yeah, absolutely.
- At about around 18
months old to 2 years,
they kind of settle down.
But you just need to keep going.
What else was I going to
say something about that?
Oh, but you know, I have had
situations, and especially
in the bull terrier ring, where
we don't really have very--
we don't have any
professional handlers.
And a lot of people are not
very experienced handlers.
And they will tend
to run up on you.
I really have no problem
just pulling off to the side
and letting that dog go,
and then just stepping
in behind them and going.
- Yes.
- Is that right?
- Yes.
Why not?
Absolutely.
- But another reason to remember
who was in front of you,
so you know when to turn.
- Exactly, yes.
Because you get a certain
amount of time to make your dog
look good, so you have to
take advantage of that.
- Yeah, absolutely
- Can, Jane address headshaking
when moving, especially
with puppies?
Well, I-- I don't know why.
I mean that's a
$20,000 question.
- Yeah, exactly.
- Because it could be a lot of--
there could be a lot of reasons.
It could be, check their ears.
I mean, make sure that they
don't have something going on.
Because, usually, when my
dogs are shaking their heads,
they have some yeast
or something in there.
So you want to make
sure that there's
nothing like that going.
Or it could be that they're
just not used to having--
- It's the collar.
- --that collar.
You never want the collar, if
you can help it, to be tight.
But it should be tight enough
that it will stay up there.
And, yeah, I can--
I think that's
usually more of just
a practice in desensitization.
- Absolutely, yeah.
- And if it's a bull
terrier, again, you know--
and they really, for whatever
reason have a huge objection,
sensitivity behind their ears--
just train them to gate with
the leash down on
their shoulders,
like we talked about
in the last episode.
Where there are basically
two different strategies.
One is just to have the
collar right up here.
And one is to let it drape down.
And Mark, I-- oh,
oh, here we go.
I think, for
whatever reason, I'm
not very good at
this iPhone business.
It a-- OK, so.
So a little dog, you would
stack in closer to the judge,
Monica Reinhard asks.
And we answered that,
yes, I mean, if, you know,
little is not a virtue.
If little's a virtue,
then you don't.
- Mm hm.
- And again--
- Exactly.
- --what are of the
virtues or the faults?
My goodness, here we go.
Let me see.
I just I'm making a
mess of this phone.
And Pamela Buckley
says, what do you do,
when you're in a
packed ring, and you
have a professional handler
crowd you and/or stand
their dog in front of you
after the final go around?
What do you say?
So Karen, what do you do?
- I would just move away.
- Move out in front?
- Exactly.
Yeah, don't ever
allow that to happen.
- Mm hm.
MARK LINDQUIST: We
got footage of that.
- We have footage of it?
- Yeah.
- It happened to
me in the group.
And there was a
professional handler.
And this professional
handler left me--
I am not kidding you-- this
much space to set up my dog.
ANNIE GLASER: And behind a post.
- And it was behind a post.
And I said, pfft.
And I went outside.
And this-- the handler
actually went after me
and says, what are
you doing out there?
You shouldn't be out there.
And I said, well, no.
I mean I can't stack
in the two feet
you left me to stack my dog.
So either move up or I'm
going to stack out here.
- Absolutely.
- And the handler
didn't want to move up.
So that meant that
everybody then
moved out from--
it was a hot day,
and everyone just moved
out from outside the tent.
Listen, the first time I showed
in group, I cried to the point
where I used to have Karen's
daughter show my dog in group.
Because I just
could not take it.
I mean it was just
too devastating.
I-- I-- it was--
and I'm not a soft person.
But I remember-- I
remember saying to Jenna,
when she was sitting
in the corner--
Jenna being Karen's daughter--
I said, how are you
going to get back
in line when it's your turn?
She's like, I'm just going
to push my way right in.
- [LAUGHS]
- And I-- and I saw her.
And she did it.
- And she does.
- She just got herself--
So a lot of times,
if you just act
like you are going to
make room for yourself,
the make room for you.
- Absolutely.
- But it's another--
another reason to
reiterate that--
why you need a good free
stack and a good hand stack.
Because you probably
are not going
to have a lot of
room in the group
or in a crowded class to
just get out there and have
your dog at the--
You're going to have to
get down and probably--
KAREN IACOBELLIS: There's
going to be times, yes.
JANE KILLION: --set up your dog.
I mean, there'll
be times-- and this
is stuff you have
to practice, too,
where there's a dog in front
of you and right behind you.
Right, Karen.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: Absolutely.
- I just want to review
the triangle, Karen.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: OK.
JANE KILLION: Because we
did talk about it last time,
but let's just review it.
So let's put a class
together, girls.
I have some closing
thoughts for you.
[BARKING]
So let's put together
our little class.
And this time, we're
going to do a triangle.
Yeah.
Come here.
So we're going to
get all set up.
I guess I'll go first.
And I'll do the
triangle, and then I'll
talk while you guys are--
So here we are.
Stand, girlfriend.
Good girl.
Here comes Karen
looking down the front.
Now see, I'm going just fix
her front a little bit there.
- Mm hm.
- Sometimes you can just--
yeah, good girl.
Get out of the way.
Good girl.
Karen, can you come down.
I'm sorry.
Come down the front
one more time.
So see how Zulu--
OK, so there, she
fixed her little foot.
Now here comes Karen
down the front.
So I'm going to make sure
that I get out of the way.
And then if my dog's not
looking at the judge,
I'll just kind of bait her
over that way as much as I can.
Can you see her head OK?
- Mm hm.
- And then, as the judge
is coming around this way,
I'm going to move to the front
and stack her this way, OK?
So, so I'm always
presenting the part--
the part that the
judge is looking at.
- That I'm looking at, correct.
- OK.
- What a nice class.
- [LAUGHS] Yes.
- [LAUGHS]
OK.
Triangle, we're going to do.
[BARKING]
- OK, so let's pretend
we already went around--
- Yeah.
- --and she examined us.
So now we're going
to show the triangle.
Which, again-- come here.
So it starts out almost
like the down and back.
And then I'm going to speed
up a little bit on the turn,
so that, by the time I'm going
sideways, she sees a side gait.
And when I get to here, I'm
going to connect with my dog,
just like I did on the down
and back, bring her around.
Look at where my judge is, make
sure the dog is lined up there.
And, at the same
time, I'm also seeing
that there's maybe a little
rise about 8 feet out
from the judge.
So I'm going to aim
for that little crest
to stop right there.
Come here.
Because my dog is going
to look much prettier.
So now I'm going to
slow down, stop--
stop-- and present that really
pretty front of that dog.
- Nice.
[BARKING]
- Stay.
And I wait for the judge to
say what she's going to say.
OK, so she's going to come
around, look at the side.
Stay.
Stand.
Good.
Good.
- Nice.
- Stand.
- OK.
- Stay.
Take her around?
- Go again
- OK.
Good girl.
And now I'm just going
to take her around.
You're good girl, Zulu.
All right.
- Another thing, too, that
I was just thinking of,
as we do that go around.
Now, when I'm going to take
Heidi around, when Heidi
is coming around for the--
to get in line, if you--
if anybody else watched me,
I watched you all
the way around.
So it would be a
great idea to have
your dog stack at that time.
- Oh.
- So I get another--
- That's a great point.
Oh, and I want to say that.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
- So I'm-- your dog is going
to get another look from me,
because I'm going to
automatically go like this.
And I'm going to say, oh.
- So, yes.
If she-- so let me
just flesh that out.
- Back.
- So sometimes a judge
will only watch to here,
and then they look right back.
But you always,
always, always have
to be looking at
where they're looking.
Because the chances
are that they may come
watch all the way
down to the end.
And if they do,
at that time, you
have another chance to show
off your stack with your dog.
Because she'll look--
she'll look back there.
But you raise another great
point, that I wanted to say,
and I didn't, which is
that you should always
be playing with your puppy or
relaxing or doing, you know,
whatever you're doing.
But the dog should never look
sloppy while you're waiting.
Like, right now, I'm not
paying attention to her,
and she's in a stack.
And she's sagging.
I would never do that, really.
I would rather have my
dog sitting, doing sit up
and begs, doing
tricks, lying down.
Down.
Zulu.
Zulu.
[CHIRRUP] Zulu down.
I would rather be doing
this than having my dog
in a sloppy, sway-back stack.
So either you are or you
are not showing your dog,
but never let your
dog look crummy.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: Right.
- Right?
But that doesn't mean
that you should be
showing the dog every minute.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: No, no.
- Because they'll just
be like, look, I'm done.
- Exactly.
By the time it's-- yeah.
- Yeah, I had enough of this.
- Where it counts,
you've already lost it.
- And especially, you see people
with puppies correcting them
and correcting them.
And for whatever
reason, people have it
in their head that you--
there's this reductive
idea of dog showing,
that you have to never allow the
puppy to do anything but stand.
- And how boring is
that for a puppy--
- Oh, it's terrible.
- --or any do?
- It's terrible.
- Really.
- This is so much more fun.
- Absolutely.
- Good girl.
Nice job, Zulie.
She's still got it.
Good girl.
- OK so I would have
Heidi do a triangle.
- Yeah, no, go ahead.
And I'm going to talk
to something else
while you're examining
the other two dogs.
- OK.
- So the final thing I
want to leave you with
is that you have to break
this down and train it.
And you have to approximate
the show experience before you
actually go to a show.
So number one, handling class,
for sure handling class.
If you're lucky to have
someone like Karen,
I mean somebody that's
going to be positive.
- Very good.
- Never let anyone
else touch your dog,
because there are a lot
of people who will use
rough methods with your dog.
And they mean well.
- OK, all the way around.
- And they want to help you,
but you really want to advocate
for your puppy-- come on--
and not-- not let anyone
else handle your dog.
But you have to practice all
this in a handling class.
Then sweepstakes,
I don't know why
people don't enter sweepstakes.
We just had a specialty,
a parent club specialty.
And I was the only
one that entered.
There was one other
person, I think,
that entered sweepstakes.
I mean everybody who has
puppies should have been there.
Everybody with a puppy,
6 to 18 months old,
should have been in
that sweepstakes.
There's no excuse
for not doing sweeps.
Take every advantage of it.
Take every chance you can.
And finally, match shows--
there are match shows--
not finally.
There are match shows
that you can go to.
And now, the AKC has a four
to six month program, where--
- Nice.
- --a lot of shows, you can take
your puppy to a real dog show
and show in the four
to six month class.
Now, I would take--
say, I would take that
with a grain of salt,
in the sense that-- stay--
that-- and there's my dog.
I'm ready for you Karen.
Stand.
Stay.
Look at your front, girlie.
- [LAUGHS]
- Look at your front.
You still got it.
I would take that sort of
under advisement, let's say.
Because I think that
a real dog show can
be an overwhelming experience
for a lot of puppies
in the four to six
month age range.
But if your puppy is
solid, and you've done--
been going to matches and
handling class, all along,
and you're-- you know, you
really feel that your puppy is
confident enough to handle
it, then, definitely,
it's a good approximation before
you actually go to a dog show.
The more you can just
approximate and show and train
and in a noncompetitive
environment,
because what happens is, listen,
the best of us get in there,
and we want to win, right?
[LAUGHTER]
- I mean you can't help it.
So you want to try and
get in as many non--
like just fun matches
or handling class,
where you're not in it to
win it, Because you just--
it's just not fair to the puppy.
So, OK, here's our final class.
Any-- Karen, do you
have anything to add?
- I agree with you, that the
more places that you could go
and work with your puppy and
set your puppy up in different
circumstances, practicing
doing your gaiting patterns,
and let your dog--
puppy be the lead dog,
letting your puppy
follow, practicing that.
- You-- you have to
practice all that.
- Yes.
- Be in the middle, front--
- Right.
- --and everything.
- Mm hm.
- That's why I asked
Heidi if she wanted--
even though her bitch is so
well-trained, I still said,
do you want a chance to be
in the front or in the back,
because you need to
practice all of that.
- Absolutely.
- Sushi's the best.
- [LAUGHS]
- She's a good girl.
I guess I'll keep her.
- Nah.
- Is that it?
[BARKING]
- That's it
- Oh, I'm sad.
It's over.
It's always sad when it's over.
All right.
Well, we're waiting for
judge's instructions, now.
Let's see.
- OK, let's take them
all around, together,
one more time, so I can
applaud for everybody.
[LAUGHS]
- Heidi, are you ready?
- Yep.
- OK, let's go.
- [CLAPPING]
- Yes.
JANE KILLION: Everybody
applaud for the dogs.
- [LAUGHS]
- Yay!
Yay!
Good girl.
- Good job, every one.
- Phew.
MARK LINDQUIST:
International people, they--
can you explain sweepstakes?
- Oh, sure.
Sorry.
Oh, so for the
international people,
can we explain sweepstakes?
So, well, it's very interesting,
because for the international
people, in Europe, you cannot
get a championship until
their, I believe, two years old.
I mean you get all
your points, but they
have to be like two
years old and a day
to get the last point.
In the United States, you
can get a championship
at six months old.
So what we have is probably the
equivalent of your young dog
days that you have over
there, where it's--
it's a class for puppies,
from 6 to 18 months.
And they're broken down.
You know, it's not-- they
don't all compete together.
They're broken-- broken down
into usually 3 age groups, 6
to 9, 9 to 12, 12 to 18.
And they-- OK,
sweetheart-- and they--
it's a sweepstakes in the
sense that everybody pays,
and then your prize is
a portion of the pot.
But it's not a
competitive class.
It's a-- I mean, it's a
competitive class in the sense
that you get a placement,
but you don't get points--
KAREN IACOBELLIS: No points.
- --towards your championship.
So it's really just a practice.
And normally, it would be--
come here, Zulu-- it would be,
not only practice for the dogs,
it's practice for the judges.
Because those are
usually judges that
are trying to get
their judge's license.
So they have an opportunity
to judge in sweeps.
And people get to
see how they do.
And they also get to
have the feeling of what
it's really like to
judge, which, trust me,
it's very different than--
KAREN IACOBELLIS: [LAUGHS]
- --you think you know.
And then you stand there.
And you're like, wow.
I-- what do I do now?
You know, don't forget
to mark your book.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: Exactly.
- Because you can so
easily forget that.
But that's what sweepstakes is.
I hope that explained.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: Yes.
- Did that explain it well?
KAREN IACOBELLIS: Yes.
- Nice.
All right.
Thank you.
You guys were great.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: Great.
- Thank you so much
for helping us.
This was fun.
See you next time.
Bye.
KAREN IACOBELLIS: Sushi.
- Good girl.
[BARKING]
Good girl, Zulu.