Don't want to see Ads? Register for your free dotSUB account here!
Oneness and Life: QUESTIONS with Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee
Duration:
52 minutes and 21 seconds
Country:
United States
Language:
English
License:
CC - Attribution Non-commercial
Genre:
None
Producer:
Seana Quinn
Views:
223
(22
embedded)
Posted by:
oneness on Aug 5, 2009
This event was part of a series of events which were open to all with a sincere interest in the emerging consciousness of oneness. www.workingwithoneness.org
Translate and Transcribe
-
Sign In/Register for dotSUB to translate this video.
Share
- Embed Video
- Embed normal player
- Embed a smaller player
- Advanced Embedding Options
-
Embedding OptionsSize:Language:Embed Code
- Embed transcript
- Embed transcript in:
-
Invite a user to dotSUB
Your invitation to join dotSUB was successfulThere was an error inviting that user to dotSUB
Video Transcription
Show in new window
- So my experience of oneness is getting more available, more present, richer and deeper.
- And at the same time there seems to be an equally opposing force that wants to pull me into separation.
- I was just noticing that in meditation how much my mind wants to go into the arguments
- for why I'm separate and why, you know there's a
- And why are you separate? I'm interested in those arguments.
- It's me and the other. Me and you know, me and that.
- And some need to define myself. Some resistance to just letting go.
- I mean I am completely comfortable with that alone with myself or in nature. But when it's me and the other...
- With other people?
- Particularly.
- With other people.
- You have to be separate.
- It seems like. It seems like it's much harder to connect with the oneness when I'm with other people.
- And have you ever tried to connect with the oneness within other people?
- Yes. And I have many times.
- And it works?
- Yes.
- That's wonderful.
- So there is a meeting of oneness and oneness.
- That's beautiful.
- I have found that. And I'm painfully aware of the times when that's not present.
- I don't think in this culture, that not just your own thought forms, but the thought forms that are in the air so much
- you can be consciously just present in oneness all the time.
- Because there is so much pressures of the collective that force you to think of yourself as separate.
- Particularly what I find strange in this culture, I think it came from the Puritan work ethic,
- that there's this idea you have to do it all on your own.
- And you know it's portrayed in the, coming from Europe I notice it in the American collective
- like the fact there isn't any social welfare system.
- I'm actually English.
- You're English. Oh, well there you go.
- I know what you mean.
- You know what you mean. You've got to stand on your own feet.
- You've got to do it yourself.And there isn't any grace because the Puritans didn't believe in grace.
- So it's really hard work and by effort alone.
- And so there is that whole pressure. I don't know how long you've been here so how long you've been...
- I definitely feel it.
- Which is really hard work and I sense that both, um, you know physically but also spiritually
- people in North America work terribly hard.
- There's this whole focus. And it's your work. It's your effort. You're only going to get there through your effort.
- And you can't get to oneness through effort.
- But. So there is this pressure as I even say seeped in to spiritual life.
- That you've got to do it yourself, you know. You do the practices and you really work hard on yourself.
- You're going to get there wherever there is.
- I don't think it's fair personally because I don't think life, particularly spiritual life is meant to be like that.
- I know when I'm experiencing oneness I'm not doing anything and I'm not even there.
- Yeah. It's state of being. You're just present in oneness.
- And it's this very simple thing that life and the oneness is a self supporting organism.
- And you're part of it. You're an expression of it. And then in my understanding it can actually work.
- I have a feeling. And it's just a feeling I have that somehow people cut off life from really responding to them.
- They kind of condition life. Or they blinker themselves from life
- So that life can't come to them in unexpected ways.
- It is kind of being. They program or they censor life so that only if they work hard, fulfill themselves or whatever
- it is, they don't allow life to support them in unexpected ways.
- And to me life or the oneness is a meeting of so many different worlds.
- I mean some people begin to allow themselves to be helped by angels for example.
- I mean there are so many angels there waiting to help us.
- They're kind of stacked up like airplanes at Heathrow Airport.
- Waiting to come in, but everybody's too busy and they don't have time and you know.
- And they're very well behaved angels. If you don't, if you're too busy they're not going to interfere
- unless it's really necessary.
- So you see these people walking with these great burdens on their backs of all of their troubles.
- And their, and everything they have to do to get somewhere to support themselves and their family.
- And then to achieve, to realize something spiritually and there are all these kind of beings in the background.
- Trying to say "Hey pass them over a bit. You know we can make those burdens work differently.
- "Or we can play tricks on the burdens." But nobody's listening.
- Because there is this conditioning you know you've got to make all this effort.
- And you've got to do it on your own.
- And that defines who you are. And if you can achieve it then you are successful.
- Life is, um. I was on the radio two days ago about Mushka Gushka
- Moshka Goshka. Who is this Sufi archetypal Persian figure, the mover of obstacles.
- And it's like in this story of Moshka Goshka you just have to remember Moshka Goshka
- then he will remove obstacles. He's a really useful person to have around, you know.
- We don't seem to know how to open the door to that.
- And my sense really is that this next stage of global evolution can only happen if we work together.
- It happens through individuals. But it is like a whole interconnection of individuals working together.
- It's like there is this network of light.
- It's very beautiful if you see it from, I've done a lot of meditation, and I can sometimes see things from outside of the world.
- From outside of the world. And you see this kind this kind of spinning network of human light.
- And how it moves. There is this Hindu expression Indra's Web.
- It is this whole beautifully woven network of light and how it talks to each other and communicates with each other.
- It's a global network.
- And it's composed of the lights of those who look towards God.
- It's very beautiful.
- And I really am convinced. And again, it's one of the reasons that of this gathering like this.
- It's that we can only do it if we work together.
- We can only allow it to happen.
- And for so long we've been, everybody's kind of been working on their own.
- It's not so much fun either.
- But you are right. The pressures of the collective to be always to be suffering. It's very powerful.
- But oneness is even more powerful. Because oneness has divine power. Separation just has human power.
- You made a reference to working with the angels.
- The angles? Oh I did, didn't I?
- The last talk you spoke about the elementals and to me there's been this like reality that we've forgotten.
- It feels like it wants to come back.
- And I don't know if this Sufi tradition actually speaks to that practically or if you're just going to suggest
- that we be in the oneness and be who we are.
- Interesting question. Sufism and angels.
- Our teacher in India, cause this particular Sufi lineage was in India for a long time.
- And they worked very much with Jinns and angels.
- Elementals are different. Elementals are more earth forces.
- Angels belong to the celestial world.
- And I think he says that there comes a time on the spiritual path when the angels and the jinns help you.
- And directly. But I think one just has to be open to the inner worlds.
- And actually it's very interesting because when we did this seminar with Sandra Ingerman
- we had a question session afterwards.
- And she was very unfamiliar with having questions.
- Because she says in her shamanic tradition they don't do that.
- They go on a journey and they ask the inner figures to answer the questions so you get your own answer.
- So they work in the shamanic tradition very much with those inner forces
- whether you call them archetypes or inner beings.
- My sense is that we just have to be open. I think at the present moment we need all the help we can get.
- And we can't do it on our own.
- And as I say there are a lot of beneficial forces that want to help us.
- There are also other forces that don't want to help us.
- And you know so you have to have some discrimination.
- But, because it is their world too.
- Ok, this physical world isn't their world so much.
- But there are other worlds, the inner worlds that we actually live in.
- For example our negative thoughts are material thought.
- The world's present collective obsession with materialism is very, very hard going on material beings.
- Because they are nourished by our spiritual thoughts.
- They are nourished by thoughts that look towards God.
- And this whole collective thought form that says what can fulfill us is more stuff.
- Is quite often quite painful for them.
- Because it has a density we create in the inner world through that collective thought.
- We actually create a density that is difficult for them sometimes to penetrate.
- It is one of the reasons that many people find it difficult to have access to those realities today
- is because our minds are, our consciousness has become very, very, very dense.
- And what Mrs. Tweedie was, after her sheik died, she was up in the Himalayas
- at the Gandhi ashram in the foothills of the Himalayas and she said
- there, particularly at night because you hear this primal sound of creation,
- the Yogis say that if that sound ceased for a moment, the world would disappear.
- It's this kind of primal sound that is the note of creation. And you can hear it there.
- And she said one of the reason you can hear it there is for many centuries rishis have been meditating in the caves.
- In the Himalayas. So they have produced an atmosphere that enables one to be,
- to have more access to those kind of, to that reality .
- While if you went down into Calcutta or something it would be more difficult.
- And here in the West there is, we've kind of isolated ourselves through our material thought forms.
- But for example a gathering like this takes place on many different levels.
- And you couldn't do the work we are doing here if there weren't spiritual beings helping.
- Helping to bring a certain energy here. To help us. To take our attention to something that is more real.
- And I find it a great honor and beauty to work together with these beings.
- They are very, very beautiful. Some of them are very old. You know they have been here for many centuries.
- Been around. It's a different line of evolution. It's not the same as physical being.
- They are very beautiful. And they are waiting for...
- There are actually Sufi orders that work more consciously with the angelic beings than our particular order.
- The Naqshbandis, we don't work consciously so much.
- Fro example some of the Chisti orders do practices that are much more
- consciously accessing the angelic realm.
- They're very beautiful.
- Yes, so thank you for asking.
- There are traditionally angels of power and angels of beauty.
- There are just as, in this plane there are masculine and feminine.
- The angelic plane there are angels of power and angels of beauty.
- Hi. First of all, thank you so much. I am very touched by your teachings.
- Thank you.
- In your book, Spiritual Power, there is a couple things I just want to ask you about.
- Nobody's asked me anything about that book.
- I was kind of surprised because I thought it was quite an unusual book when I wrote it.
- Interesting. You know I often only get the information when I am writing.
- So it is kind of a revelatory process for me. And I was very intrigued to put a lot of that stuff down.
- And it's interesting nobody has been particularly seemed to take any interest in it.
- Well maybe I'm the first.
- You talk about a vision there where you went down I think into the subway somewherep
- where it's really heavy duty energy. And then behind one of the stalls you met your teacher there.
- And he comes out and says "yeah, we have to go where we're asked to go."
- Oh yes, yeah.
- And somehow that really touched me.
- And you also say somewhere in the book that it's necessary that we take this energy to the really darkest places.
- As much as out in the fringes.
- Right.
- That's why when we had this gathering. It is interesting because we discovered a really, really nice
- place remote on the headlands somewhere and we were going to have the gatherings there.
- And at the last moment it didn't work.
- So, well a community center in Mill Valley. It's more in the midst of things.
- Well I was just curious if there is, if you can say something more about for instance how to bring that
- into places where there is more, I mean here amongst us there is a lot of that light.
- And there are areas where they really don't have access to us.
- They're more like the lost souls. And we can even talk about the government.
- And I wondered if there is a way that it can be brought to where it's really needed.
- Important question. My first answer is that each of us if we be where we are, we are where we are needed.
- And my sense is to bring it, the light and the energy and the power into where we are.
- Into our life here.
- At the same time there are people who are being trained to bring light into some of the very densest, darkest places.
- It is, you need to be quite tough spiritually because they're not so pleasant.
- But there is work being done there.
- I think the first thing is to accept that you are where you need to be.
- Wherever it is. Again if I see that each of us is part of life's organism.
- And once you realize that life is this self-sustaining, very dynamic organism of which your light is a part.
- It, like any organism, it takes you where it wants you, wants you to be.
- And I think also that this present collective is actually quite dense as it is.
- In the shopping malls of America there is not a lot of light.
- And just be bringing your remembrance of God, bringing your awareness with oneness,
- into this ordinary environment where you are, I think it's much harder work than most people realize.
- I always say one of the spiritual practices of today is just to remember God where you are.
- Because it's much more hard work than I think it was a few hundred years ago.
- There are so many dense material thought forms around.
- What I particularly meant by when I spoke about, wrote about that in Spiritual Power,
- there was a sort of a movement in the 70's that was towards creating an alternative society
- that had a sort of spiritual dynamic and really said "This material society one wants to get away from,
- one wants to create an alternative society. A lot of experiments done by that, about that.
- And my sense is that isn't the answer, that it is living an ordinary life where we are.
- We bring that energy into the mainstream of life, if you like into the blood vessels of life.
- What is very beautiful is that if you life this in your everyday life. Remember you are connected to all of life.
- You actually bring a certain light from the higher plane and you bring it like into your blood.
- And on that level your blood is connected to the veins of life.
- It is connected to the, to the veins of life.
- And it goes through, the moment you are completely present where you are in life.
- And it goes through you into the rest of life. It actually flows from the inner into this much denser plane
- where it can, where it can bring light where it is needed in a kind of flow.
- Yes there are places that are very, very, very dense.
- And there are people who are trained to work there.
- It's not a work that everybody could do. Does that?
- Yeah, no, that's good. I, when reading your book and hearing you talk I really feel that connection.
- I mean it's a transmission. I can feel it. It's like I've hooked into something and I can really feel it.
- Yeah, that's part of my work to hook people into things.
- Yeah, now in that same book you also talk about a transmission.
- Later on in the book you talk about that there are actually certain traditions that have a transmission.
- And you didn't say a whole lot about that.
- No.
- And I wonder if you can expand on that.
- Yeah there is this, there is this tradition. In India it's known as the Satguru.
- There are a lot of very good spiritual teachers who teach and help people and guide them on their path.
- And then there is a whole different category if you like of spiritual lineages that hold a transmission.
- That have access to a certain spiritual power or energy that is needed both for
- individual transformation and for global transformation.
- And in India the expression that is used for some body who has that transmission.
- As I say is a satguru. It isn't really understood in the West.
- And it means that they have been given or they are authorized to have access to.
- It is an energy that doesn't actually come from human consciousness.
- It comes from a different dimension.
- This has to do with the fact that at a certain level you cannot transform yourself.
- There's a whole stages of purification and preparation that you can do.
- And but in order to what I call actually flip a level of consciousness.
- You cannot do it yourself. You don't have that energy.
- You have to have an energy that comes to you from outside, from a different level of reality.
- And there are certain gurus and lineages that are holders of that quality of energy.
- And it is very, very pure. It is very uncontaminated.
- For example, I mean there's no money involved, but it's not really that, it's...
- And that is why they say there's a point at which you have to go out and find a Satguru.
- Of course Satgurus don't advertise themselves.
- Usually. Because the last thing they want is lots of people hanging around.
- But, and different gurus are also obviously trained to work with different types of people.
- And what I was trying to do in that book was to bring an awareness of a certain level of spirituality
- that is almost unknown in the West.
- What we think of as spiritual training or spiritual teaching, it is like preparation for spiritual teaching.
- A lot of the practices that have been given. A lot of the teachings that have been given
- are the preparation that you go through. And it can take 20, 30, 40 years of preparation.
- Until you are ready to actually receive real spiritual energy.
- That takes you to a different level of consciousness.
- And part of my work is to bring that awareness to the West.
- Because it doesn't seem to be part of our Western spiritual understanding at all.
- And not only on an individual level, but also that these holders of spiritual transmission are actually
- working to help the world, just as an individual goes through a process of spiritual evolution.
- The world is going through a process of spiritual evolution.
- And some of these great masters have access to a certain energy that is needed to help the world to awaken.
- To activate certain power centers in the world that have been dormant until now.
- And I am very interested as to what will happen when they get woken up.
- These power centers. Because if you look back in human history you see that
- some of these power centers are actually visible. For example Stonehenge in England
- was at onetime. Obviously that's why it was built. Those enormous stones being raised up.
- In a very, very precise geometric pattern.
- And it was a power center that was used to help the spiritual evolution of that area.
- In the same way work is being done on the Egyptian pyramids to see how they work
- as transformers of spiritual energy.
- And so there is this whole history of spiritual power.
- And something I've been very aware of listening to a lot of very well meaning, well-intentioned people
- who are talking about our present global condition and how to work with it.
- Is that they, there is this consciousness that we have to do it all on our own.
- That we have to somehow change the climate and get it back and.
- We have to transform the world.
- And one thing you know when you do spiritual work is you can't do it on your own.
- Rumi says quite categorically that with all one's effort one cannot even get to the first way station.
- Now if you can't change and transform yourself on your own,
- there is no way that we can change and transform the world on our own.
- It is like this saying I often repeat that my wife Anat first said to me when she went to a talk on sustainability.
- She said they're all talking about sustainability, but nobody's talking about the sustainer.
- And it's like somehow that particular central piece of information has been censored from our society.
- So all these people are trying to work very well intentioned.
- But they don't have the power or the energy that is needed to actually change anything.
- Because you can't even get to the first way station.
- And it's very interesting how that central piece of knowledge has been censored from our collective consciousness.
- You know there was a time in societies in the past when you wouldn't even have dreamed of doing anything
- without first of all consulting the oracle. But you know, including the Divine.
- And I think that those of us who were kind of mature enough to realize that it isn't my God or somebody else's God.
- Nobody has the right God. Or the wrong God. That we can realize there is this Divine power.
- That is waiting to be used.
- And there are ancient esoteric traditions about using this Divine power.
- This is their...Yes, they have been hidden. And part of my work is to make some of them known again.
- In public. Because as I say I don't think we can make this next, in fact I know we can't
- make this next step in evolution without working with this Divine power.
- Whether we work with the angelic planes, but there is also, um, there is certain energy that
- can activate these power centers in the world.
- And it's very interesting that there is a, for example a tradition that George Washington was clairvoyant.
- And he actually founded D.C. on a power center.
- And it's actually right where the cathedral is, in this place in D.C. there's a power center there that is not active yet. No.
- A little bit. But it's no active. You know which is an interesting part of American spiritual history.
- So there are these, some of these power centers. There is one here in the Bay Area.
- Which is why we're here.
- It's the only reason I came to work in this part of America.
- Is because there is a very powerful spiritual center that has to do with the next stage of human evolution.
- That is here in the Bay Area. Which is one of the reasons a lot of spiritual groups
- and traditions were drawn to this area.
- Because there are certain souls that are waiting to work with the energy that is here.
- It's a little bit active. It's not fully active.
- It can, when fully operational, it can give people direct access to a completely different level of consciousness.
- In which the future will become very, very apparent.
- And so they can work it.
- I mean you can see a little bit of how that's been reflected in Silicon Valley.
- And a certain awareness of computer science which has a part to play in the next stage of,
- quite a different part from what most people understand.
- But it has a part to play in the next stage of human evolution.
- There is a very powerful energy center in this particular fault line.
- That is waiting to get activated. It is very beautiful.
- There are actually very beautiful angels watching over it so it doesn't get misused.
- Because it's very, very precious.
- And, um, yeah.
- I was wondering if you could talk a little more about the future of science.
- The future of what?
- The future of science and the oneness.
- The future of science.
- That you spoke of in your talk earlier.
- You know about, it will be a science of the oneness.
- Oh yeah.
- As opposed to what we have now if you might elaborate more on that.
- Well one aspect of this science of the oneness is actually I have a strong sense that
- part of the science of the future will be the interaction of the inner and the outer worlds.
- Which is where magic happens.
- Again we live in a very kind of poor world because we've banished magic.
- And there are many forces in creation which could be understood as magical
- which we haven't learned how to work with or we used to know how to work with and we have now forgotten.
- I'll just give you a little example which is cause I studied medieval architecture when I was younger.
- And there is a tradition that the stained glass windows in Chartres Cathedral
- Which was kind of an archetype of the Gothic cathedrals were made by alchemists.
- And they actually transformed the light that comes through them and they don't know how to do that anymore.
- So there are many magical and spiritual sciences that we've lost contact with
- because we have focused on the physical plane. Science has been science in the physical world.
- And I think that in the future we're going to have to reawaken to the magical dimension but not,
- before in a way just, it wasn't grounded in like physical science as we have now.
- And I think they can work together. I think the inner and the outer can work together.
- I am for example fascinated about, I think a lot of the energy of the future will come from light.
- I personally believe, this is just my personal belief, that light is part of the science of the future.
- And the way light works and the energy of light.
- And of course light is a very powerful energy source we are beginning, just beginning to learn how to harness.
- There are many different frequencies of light. And many different ways to work with light.
- It completely doesn't pollute at all. It's free. Everybody can have access to it.
- Even the people who live in England. They get it for four or five days a year.
- Can I ask you a little bit more about the light since you mentioned that.
- Because that was another question in my mind.
- And when you were working with Adyashanti in a workshop in San Rafael,
- in November. I was meditating when the group was meditating, but I was at home.
- And I noticed that the light in the environments intensified.
- Yeah. Of course.
- It was striking to me that that happened.
- And I was wondering if you could talk a little bit, and the same is going on here today.
- That there was this you know radical intensification of the light while we were meditating.
- So could you speak a little bit more about that?
- Ok. Every human being has a light. Yeah?
- And a lot of spiritual practice is how to develop that light, how to work with it.
- There's a whole spiritual body of knowledge that creating a light body.
- And so the light within you begins to change you, it transforms you.
- There is also a light in the body of the planet.
- And while I was talking about the little practice we did at the beginning of the meditation
- It has to do with the light within you.
- The pure light within you can directly interact with the light of the planet.
- And then there can be this dialogue of light.
- And I am quite fascinated by how that will work.
- One of the things is this hasn't been done before.
- We're used to things, you know, we do it because it's been done like this.
- Remember we're stepping into a new level of evolution.
- And so a lot of things haven't actually happened before.
- The idea that individual, the light of an individual can directly interact with the light body of the planet.
- Is, you know it has been done by very evolved spiritual masters and their disciples.
- But the fact that anybody can have a go is new.
- And so that is one way of working with light.
- And when there is this dialogue of light.
- One Sufi Kubra who talked about that light and he said
- "Light upon light. Light rises towards light. And the light comes down upon light. And it is light upon light.
- And so there is this whole mystery of working with light that belongs to the spiritual process.
- in which your light attracts a greater light. Again I said you can't do this work on your own.
- Part of the beauty of it is as you can see here, there is our light there is also another light
- in this room now because we are actually doing this dialogue of light together.
- And once it starts to interact it goes up an octave. It goes into another dimension of light.
- And, which really, how that affects consciousness. Light is a very, very direct mode of communication.
- Which is why it's now very interesting we've now been given these tools of fiber optic cables.
- Of communicating with light, even on the physical plane.
- It's actually how for example the higher selves talk, you having a conversation with somebody's higher self
- It's a dialogue of light. It goes direct. And there's no interference.
- There's no misunderstanding because, just like one of the reasons they like to use fiber optic cables is because
- you can put an enormous amount of information into a very small amount of fiber optic cable.
- And it gets to the other end almost perfect.
- Because light works like that.
- And, um, so it is, but it, there will be, it will work on all sorts of different levels.
- Right down to how to use solar power properly.
- How to, you know, develop the science of really understanding, for example,
- plants use, what's it called, photosynthesis, alright? And scientists do not yet understand this basic process.
- Of converting sunlight into energy that a plant does.
- I don't think, unless somebody's got some new science.
- From what I understood, they still don't understand how that, the process that every leaf, every blade of grass uses.
- How it transmutes sunlight.
- And so there is you know the natural world has an understanding of how to use light to make energy.
- Which we have yet haven't accessed.
- They say the alchemists had a whole understanding of light which we've lost.
- And can be certain people can be trained to bring through, bring back some of that understanding.
- So it's very exciting because there's an enormous amount of power in light.
- And it's free. And this is again. No, this is actually very, very important as far as I can see.
- Is that the energy source of the future, we're moving into an era of global oneness, it has to be free.
- It cannot afford to be controlled by a small cartel of people.
- And it also actually happens spiritually because when you get to the plane of the Self,
- which is the plane of oneness, everything there is free and everything there is available.
- It's a very beautiful experience because there there is no effort.
- In this physical world things happen through effort.
- You'd have to make an effort even to get here this afternoon.
- You had to make an effort. You had to get in your car or walk or whatever it is.
- On the plane of the Self which is a plane of pure light. It's a very beautiful plane, a plane of pure light.
- There is no effort. It works because there is no friction.
- There it is not a plane of duality. It is a plane of oneness.
- And so it works very, very efficiently. And that's again why I talked about the science of oneness.
- It is much more cost effective than the science of duality.
- Because it doesn't have the friction of duality. And it works very beautifully.
- And so there are all different levels of working with light that I think in a hundred years time we'll begin to have more understanding of.
- Even on a basic level it's a completely non-polluting energy source.
- Father Thomas Merton talks about the difference between genitality and sexuality.
- Aha.
- In terms of being celibate. And his ability to use his full sexuality to support his purpose in bringing God's work to the world.
- And I'm curious what you might say about the idea, in my belief,
- that women, the oppression we've had for hundreds and thousands of years have a very narrow sense of sexuality.
- That is more like genitality. And if we were to fully blossom into the full creative powers of our sexuality
- How would that help oneness in its full blooming?
- I can maybe just talk a bit from the other side being a guy.
- Which is, and really having done the guy stuff in the past. You know I had lifetimes of the guy stuff.
- Which is that there are many spiritual practices which cut a man off from his instinctual nature
- which includes his sexuality and sexuality gets transmuted.
- Sexuality is kundalini. It's that energy. And there are practices where you raise the energy up.
- Until it no longer functions on an instinctual level.
- And there are lots of monastic...one of the things I always feel sad about the priests in the Catholic church
- is that they've got to be celibate, but nobody gave them the practices of what to do.
- Because in the monastery you got the practices to transmute your sexual energy.
- So you got to be celibate because there was a reason, because you were using that energy
- not on an instinctual level for procreation. But you were using it to transmute it, to take you up to higher spiritual states.
- And as I say, I often thought it's hard when the, because they never gave the priests practices to do.
- Now what I have discovered because I have a strange karma.
- I say I've been a monk for many, many, many lifetimes.
- And I come back and have to have to help women. You know.
- And I discovered that women functioned completely differently.
- And there is a rule that a woman should never separate herself from her instinctual nature.
- She should never cut it off.
- And then I discovered that a woman's sexuality and spirituality are very closely intertwined.
- In a way they're not for a man.
- And this is something actually my teacher said, my sheik in India.
- Because he said women and men are actually made spiritually differently.
- And a woman, there's a certain substance, spiritual substance, that a man has to create within himself.
- And he does it through practices.
- And he said a woman already has it, already in her chakras.
- He said a woman is already perfect.
- This spiritual substance that a man has to make a lot of effort to create after renunciation and all that.
- A woman already has it in her chakras.
- And that is because she is part of the mystery of creation.
- And she has the potential to give birth.
- So she has to be able to give that perfect being to her child.
- So she already has it, everything already perfect within her.
- And sexuality is a feminine mystery. It is part of the mystery of creation.
- As you rightly say because we have a, we've come from a patriarchal history,
- Men do not understand that. Sexuality is actually not a male mystery.
- Men don't understand sexuality.
- The relationship between feminine sexuality, feminine power, feminine spiritual nature is all together.
- And it doesn't mean a woman has to have sex, it means that she should not separate herself from her sexual nature.
- And she should not practice a certain renunciation that is part of the male practice.
- She should never, ever cut herself off from her instinctual nature.
- If she does, she loses an essential connection to life and the wholeness of life.
- And through a woman's nature, I say in which her spirituality and her sexuality are very close together,
- This was understood by the priestesses and whole tradition of the sacred prostitute.
- And many, many other ancient traditions that the patriarchy oppressed, censored, destroyed.
- There is a certain energy that comes through a woman, that comes through her spiritual and her sexual being
- into life, that is essential for the spiritual well-being of the world.
- And there is, this actual energy is lacking very much in our present culture. In our present relationship to life.
- In our present relationship to the world. It actually stops the world from opening in a particular way.
- Because it doesn't have that substance.
- It stops the world from behaving like a sacred being that it is.
- And there is a certain work that is being done by women that has to do with bringing that energy back into creation.
- And it can only be done by women.
- A man cannot do it because a man's body, spiritual body and physical body are structured differently.
- It is not. It is not perfect in the way a woman is perfect.
- My teacher said a woman is like gold, always pure.
- Pure, not perfect.
- And so there is a certain spiritual work that can only be done by women,
- that has to do with their sacred connection to life and their sexuality is part of this.
- In a way that is not really understood in the West today at all.
- There are, you can see in certain Hindu traditions there are kind of memories of that.
- I don't know if it's really alive in India any more.
- But there are women in the West who are actually beginning to do that very, very important work.
- As I say it has to do with their instinctual, natural connection to life, to the physical energetic body of the world.
- Through which a certain spiritual substance can be infused through their spiritual vehicles into the world.
- To help it first of all to purify it from certain male thought forms and certain male destruction.
- That has done certain horrible things to the world.
- And until that is done, so this energy has been put back into the world, then it cannot transform.
- It's important work.
- It's vital work. I write about it in some of my books. It's a work.
- And I have a sense that is one of the reasons that in the West so many souls that are attracted to spiritual work have incarnated as women.
- Because my sense is that men do a different work. That work can only be done by women.
- And women who have a certain spiritual maturity.
- To look beyond their own personal well being, to a connection to life, to a connection to the whole.
- It's very, very important. Until that is done, something else cannot take place.
- Thank you.
- Is there anything else I should add?
- Do you want to take the microphone?
- It just reminded me of a vision which I had. It was in Barcelona two years ago.
- And I did not realize until I came to Barcelona actually that that used to be the center
- of the Black Madonna. And I didn't know that until almost I left Barcelona.
- But I was in my hotel to my surprise in the center of Barcelona which was just in the middle of the
- hustle and bustle of thousands of people just passing by every single moment.
- And in the center of, near the hotel, there was the very old cathedral.
- That the Black Madonna was worshiped there.
- And they still actually keep the white geese that they had how they used to do it in the ancient time in the middle of the cathedral.
- And there actually is a sculpture of the Black Madonna there.
- And I had this vision. In the night. I woke up.
- And I suddenly saw there was in the area a lot of catacombs. You say catacombs inside the...?
- Catacombs, yeah.
- Yes. And I saw this woman. She was in prison in those catacombs for so long.
- And then she came out. And first as if her face was like a man.
- A beautiful man with very white long beard. It was still a man.
- But then she was free from that sitting in those catacombs.
- And she became herself again. She was the most beautiful woman I had ever seen.
- She had very long hair, almost like emphasizing the freedom of the feminine in a certain way just expressing itself.
- And she was wearing this beautiful simple gown. She was just the most amazing woman I'd ever seen.
- And then she has taken, suddenly in her hand appeared this shell conch.
- And she took it to her mouth. And she started to make a sound from it.
- And there was the most extraordinary sound that she created, that she made.
- It was the most organic, natural amazing sound. And it was heard.
- So your question, that you asked Llewellyn somehow and his answer reminded me of that vision that I had.
- Because that natural, instinctual sound, the calling, it's calling to the Divine, to God or whatever you'd like to call it.
- It doesn't matter. That. And it was heard. And I thought that was again the woman come back.
- And can use the most natural, instinctual way of being and use it and it was heard.
- I wanted to share that. I never shared that before. Thank you.


Report this video as offensive