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Transcript for India: Huge untapped market opportunity for MLVs

Time Content
00:15 → 00:25

Good afternoon everybody. Thanks to the organizers for inviting me to speak

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Very powerful presentations this morning

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I think Connar covered a lot of things that I wanted to cover

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Today I would like to cover some of the facts, interesting facts about India

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In that way this presentation is a little historic

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Mike, you can correct me, Is this the first presentation at LISA about India?

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I have not heard it - I have always heard about China

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So this is going to be interesting

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Not heavy at all, it is going to be a light presentation

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First I will get you through the agenda

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First about the myths about India that I keep hearing and behind that are the facts

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A little about the language diversity in India

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How there are several similarities with Europe

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In fact these similarities are the biggest differences when we compare with Europe

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Some examples, some interesting opportunities and some interesting facts

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And then you can pin me down with questions

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First let me apologize because I may have some questions for you as well

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First some myths

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Most Indians knwo English very well... How Many?

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How many do you think?

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Percentage ... 95%

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50%? 5%?

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OK most of them are wrong

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I'll come to the answers later

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Most schools teach English in India or have instruction in English

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Many people say that

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Most Indian executives prefer communicating in English

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It's ok to have the product literature and support in English

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India just does fine with English why bother

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Too many people in India are illiterate

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so where is the market who is going to read all the stuff that we are going to produce

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PC and broadband penetration is very low

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Dont bother about the Indian market, nobody can read, nobody can access the internet

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low bandwidth etcetera

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India has too many dialects.. Are there 800 dialects in Hindi?

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Maybe lets not worry about it anyway

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So coming to the answers

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10% is the maximum English speaking population that you have got

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out of 1.2 billion people

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So are here to worry about, just this 10% or the other 90%

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I am here to talk about the 90%

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If you want to talk about the 10% we can do that outside

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English speaking population is just 10% and out of this

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only 0.2M people, not an exact figure, about, use English as their first language

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And if you roughly split this 10%

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70% would know at least one Indian language

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and English would be the second language

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and for the rest English would actually be the third language

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So what it shows you is

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that given a choice today

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An Indian would be very comfortable reading, writing or talking

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at least talking in an Indian language

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And English would come after that

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The number of schools in English medium is just about 20%

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and that is today

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not previously so you can make out the difference

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It might increase tomorrow by a certain extent

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But again the English medium is something only at the primary level right now

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Literacy rates we talked about -- poor literacy rates

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At a very very conservative average that I have got

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I have only taken a population that is relevant for us

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right now, is an age group of 15-24 years

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and that is about 300 million people

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and they are literate

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and we talked about a lot of dialects

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we talked about a lot of languages

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The top 8 languages in India - the regional languages

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covers about 75% of the Indian population

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Does anybody have an idea of how many official Indian languages there are?

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Well officially there are actually two Indian languages

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two languages, English and Hindi

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But the other languages we call Scheduled Languages

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Which is another 20

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So you have got 22 scheduled languages

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Out of that 8 languages would cover 75% of the Indian population

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Again taking 1.2 million people as the base, which is the 2nd largest population the world after China

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It is the 4th largest economy by the way of purchasing power

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And that's about $4 Trillion

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32% of the people are below the age of 14

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So you know where your workforce is going to come from - this is something that you don't find in China

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This 32% of the workforce is going to learn English or is going to learn 3 different languages

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We don't know - it is on us how we want to take this forward

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And let me tell you another thing

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14-35 years is another 30% of the people

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so 60% of the population of India is below the age of 35

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Teledensity is 41%

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Largely due to mobile phones - any guesses on what the split is between landlines and mobiles?

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Any guesses ....

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About 16 to 18% is landlines

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And the same 16-18% who own the landlines also own mobile phones

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and many people have probably two mobile phones

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Guess what is the amount of money you spend talking long distance within India?

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50 - if you talk 50 minutes in India - How much does it cost?

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$1 long distance with in India is $1

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If you fly from the northern part of India to the southern part of India it takes you 3½ hours

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That is as good as my flying from Delhi to Thailand

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It is that large - it would be more that 3,800 Km

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so that is long distance within the country

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So you just spent $1 talking for 50 continuous minutes

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min you the billing is per second not per minute

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So that is about mobile phone users, and mobile phone users rose every month by 2.5 million

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That is the population of Canada every month

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So India has 800 dialects - 15 major languages

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So this is how it is distributed in our population

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So Hindi is the largest language which roughly covers about 40% of the population

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Followed by major languages like Bengali - we call it Bangla

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Telugu, Marathi, Tamil, Urdu, Gujerati and the others follow

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I tried to plot this - it was a very difficult task

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so I plotted the top few languages for Europe and the top few languages of India

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But what I found was that when I just crossed a few bars on this list

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In the first 3 bars that I plotted - the population of India was already crossing the European population

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The European population is about 700M roughly

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and about 10-12 languages are most popular

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The top 3 Indian languages account for about that many

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Even at conservative literacy levels the market size would be bigger in India

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And some examples of companies that recognized this, they made it work, and they are very prosperous today

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Nokia - they just came a few years back. They localized in 13 Indic languages

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Indic would involve some other languages around India like Sinhalese or Pashto

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They localized in 13 Indic languages

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Guess what the market share for Nokia phones is today?

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It's about 72%

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For an Indian market where you are selling so many mobile phones where 40% is the teledensity

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For selling in India, before they used to import the mobile phones from China

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Now they have a dedicated manufacturing facility down south in India

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manufacturing something like 300 million mobile phones a year or something like that

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And that is only for the Indian market,still they are not exporting from there

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So Nokia saw this opportunity to localize all their interfaces

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I think their interfaces are localized into just 6 or 7 Indian languages

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But the user guide is localized in 13 Indic languages

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So when you buy a mobile phone, you gotta to use it and

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there are many features in the phone that yo have to read in the manual to use it

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Other manufacturers did not recognize that

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and all the advertising and the marketing materials, everything went in regional languages

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So immediately people made a connect and started naturally buying mobile phones

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So when you go to India don't be surprised when everybody turns up with a Nokia mobile phone

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You don't need to take your chargers there, just forget them at home

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Star network is a very popular entertainment network

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from Rupert Murdoch - when they came they used to run all the US based soap operas

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For the first 3 - 3½ years, they were almost going to close down

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They found hardly anybody to watch them

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Because nobody would understand what they are trying to say

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and there was no connect - and then they slowly started localizing their programs

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The first thing that they did was have Hindi news

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and immediately within a 1 year period after that they started having Hindi movies, and Hindi based soap operas, the mix started changing

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and today I think they are the third spot, 2nd or 3rd spot in terms of share

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Suzuki runs the largest automobile company in India

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It is know as Maruti-Suzuki there

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It also exports from there

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All their user manuals, all their sales based training programs

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are at least localized into the Hindi language

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Thats because when the sales person in the showroom sells to people they have to

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talk to people in regional langauges

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Somebody said today that if you talk to the person in a regional language it goes to the heart

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so sales have to be done like that

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it is not all with the brain - there is an emotional attachment in sales also

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so thats how things succeeded for Suzuki motors

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The same also goes for Hiro-Honda motors

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They are also the largest selling motor bike company in India.

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Again the same strategy, sell in the regional languages.

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All the manuals, all the training sessions that they conducted

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for the people are in the local languages

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The other manufacturers did not follow this and they are way behind

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Hiro-Honda has a market share of 65% in the Indian market.

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Maruti-Sazuki has nearly 62% market share in the Indian market.

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Coca Cola did the same, they have their training programs in four regional languages.

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I have some data that I want to show you at the end because we may be running out of time.

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Local newspapers - which will also give you an idea of what the spread is like,

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for reading different language papers. And you will see what the English papers sell and what the local papers sell.

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Microsoft as you know localizes into 7 Indian languages, so

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so now it sells a lot of licenses to the Govt of India

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Earlier it wouldn't do that, Openoffice was localized in different Indian languages l

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and it was being used in Govt departments but that is no longer true.

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Google of course is another company that has localized into several Indian languages.

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Yahoo has done it's daily news in seven Indian languages

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So where are the opportunities?

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We have 9 Indian companies in the Fortune 500 list

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And guess what, most of them are not IT or software companies.

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So it is a very popular belief that India is into BPO or into software services but these may not be the largest companies in the world.

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So there is IOC which is the Indian Oil Corp., there is the Tata group which many people would have heard of because,

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they acquired some large motor companies in the UK

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You probably have heard of Reliance Industries because they are a very large conglomerate into oils, natural gas, telephone

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internet and god knows everything

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State Bank of India is partly a government enterprise

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but it's a bank. And there are

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several other companies. There are only two companies which are software companies in the Fortune 500.

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These companies are making a lot of acquisitions abroad

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They are moving out of India, setting up offices. They are making

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products and services available to people outside of India now.

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Gone are the times when Indian companies are seeking business from US or European companies only.

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It's going the other way now.

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Indian companies are now becoming customers to large companies outside the US.

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So the quicker everybody realizes that India has a lot of business to be given out the better.

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The people who realize that will make the most out of it.

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So the 32% of the upcoming population that I was talking about

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plus the 30% in the other age group I was talking about,

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is the employable population that India is going to have in the next 10-15 years.

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So the purchasing power that you got today will increase by so many more times in the next 10-15 years.

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When the purchasing power increases, you know what is going to happen.

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The formula is very simple.

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The government and education spend about 2% of the GDP.

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I talked about the GDP of $4 trillion.

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Its going to spend about 2% this year in education

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And education means: India has a three language formula

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I'll take a minute to explain that

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For all the regional places that are there in India

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the medium of instruction in school is the regional language.

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So if I am in Kerala, my first language of instruction in school will be Malayalam.

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The second would probably be either English or Hindi.

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So the government is going to spend a lot of money in educating people in all these states.

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And you need CONTENT in the local format, to be available

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to make this successful, so

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There are some companies that have already grabbed some opportunities

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There is a leading company from Ireland that is into elearning and training that has already grabbed some opportunities.

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They have connected with Indian publishers and made a dedicated center there

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they have started localizing the programs in Hind (they are intelligent) they have started localizing the programs in Indian English

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Why Indian English?

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Something new, you know US English. So the next time you see in Word a dropdown in Indian English

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that may not be surprising

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Indian English is different. There are many new words like "prepone"

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which India invented. Do you know what prepone means?

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It is there in the Oxford dictionary today.

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It is the opposite of postpone.

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When you bring a date forward it is called prepone. Simple.

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There are companies that have already grabbed this opportunity.

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And they are selling well.

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And the same applies to corporate training, customized training for industrial manuals

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In most of the regional places where there are large manufacturing centers

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e.g. Nokia has setup a facility in Chennai

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all their manufacturing manuals, their safety manuals, their guides, their ISO manuals, everything

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has been localized for the state which is Tamil Nadu, which is the Tamil language.

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A huge amount of data was localized Some MLV lost that opportunity.

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But I know who got the business.

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So, machine translation is something that we have been discussing over and over again.

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I sincerely hope that it works.

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And it works for Indian languages, because this is something we really need in India.

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A huge amount of data remains un-localized.

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On the internet or in physical form. If it does happen, this is going to be revolutionary for India.

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And as I mentioned earlier, Indian companies are going out, making acquisitions and Indian English - these are all opportunities lined up.

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It's not working

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So localization business has started to generate from a lot other industries now.

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Hotels, in India are starting to localize

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their websites in different languages, because they are seeing visitors coming from different countries.

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So we have all kinds of European languages, Chinese

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Japanese, Korean being localized for hotel websites.

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Tata Group is one of the companies that owns the largest chain of hotels in India

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also localizing their websites now.

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Travel, hospitality, education, tourism, radio, film TV these are the leading industries in localization.

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If you go to India you will see that most of the films that run here in English

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would be dubbed and subtitled, in most of the Indian languages.

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And guess what? The localization is done by an international movie company

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who has setup a shop in India.

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Again somebody lost some business there.

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The mobile space is extremely promising as I said and,

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as I said earlier, PC penetration is not great. It is only 10-11% of the Indian population.

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But who cares. Mobile phones are going to be there and already 40% mobile penetration has happened.

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And yesterday Dirk and I were discussing how mobile phone technology has gotten to the most rural parts of India,

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in terms of accessing the Internet.

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Very small USB discs being used to access the Internet in the most rural parts

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You don't even need a power cable to be using that.

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Backlog in government documents. The government has it's own department for translating documents.

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But this year they have started to give out documents for translation to companies outside.

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Why? Because they realize something.

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They have 5 years of pending data that they have not translated.

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5 years ! So Its coming this year.

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And why do we say that you need to localize your products and sell within India for the Indian market?

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There area huge amount of Indian people outside of India who will also buy these products.

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I know several of my friends in the US who would want to educate their children in Hindi or English

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and they are looking out for CDs and stories, all in localized languages.

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They simply don't get it, they get it all in English.

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So just for the US, there are 3 million Indian people in the US alone.

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And then there's the UK and several other countries.

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You have Tamil as the 4th official language for Singapore and Malaysia.

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If you go to Singapore, in the metro, you will see that Tamil is the 4th language mentioned all over the place.

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Because of the huge amount of population who immigrated from Tamil Nadu in India.

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And there is a large chunk of Malayalam speakers in the Middle East.

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This is a popular site in India and the point I wanted to make here was

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you may not be able to see. This is the Economic Times which is written in English, and

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the same thing is written in Hindi and Gujerati below here.

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Economic Times is the main business newspaper.

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It is the most widely read business newspaper in India.

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And if that is available in Gujerati and Hindi for business news, not for

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general news, you can understand that the business language is not just English.

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Here are some interesting facts.

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Sanskrit is considered to be the mother of all higher languages in India.

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Many people probably know that.

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Punjabi is written in two scripts: Gurumukhi (L2R) and Sharmukhi (R2L)

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And the strange thing is that one is written from left to right and the other is written right to left,

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in the exact same diction.

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There is no difference in pronunciation whatsoever.

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And the strange part, Gurumukhi is used in India and Sharmukhi is used

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in Pakistan. So where do you find more speakers of Punjabi?

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Take a guess?

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Yes but there is a Punjab in India and in Pakistan.

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No no no come on!

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Bangla we know is an Indian language but it is also the national language for another country.

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Bangladesh, and therefore Bangladesh actually has more people who speak Bangla.

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So you may not be talking just about an Indian language, but here is a whole country that we sometimes ignore.

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Which of Urdu or Punjabi is more spoken in Pakistan?

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Any idea? You are right, Punjabi is more spoken, but it

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is a popular belief that Urdu is the most spoken language in Pakistan. It is not.

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Punjabi is and that is the answer. There are more speakers of Punjabi in Pakistan than in India.

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Again we have another country involved here, not just an Indian language.

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Do you think you need a charger to charge your mobile phone?

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If you go to the rural parts of India, you don't even need power to access the internet or charge your mobile phone.

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Launched about 2 months back in India.

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It runs on solar power and charges on solar power.

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How about carbon footprint? Thank you.

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this is last one

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