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Transcript for Brother David Steindl-Rast's speech at the International Transpersonal Conference

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We belong together

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and formally that order of the people who belong together

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was drawn very narrowly

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Primitive tribes often considered only themselves to be humans

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and everybody else was "the Others"

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and you could treat them any way you wanted

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but the humans, it was us

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they treated them [...] belongs together morally right

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The circle has widened and widened

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And now this is no longer ethical at all to exclude anyone or anything

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And not only all humans must be included

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but all animals, all plants, the whole Kosmos

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All must be included in order to make ethics really ethical

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To make [morals moral]

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So we have already two elements

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that belong to every religion, doctrine, and morals

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And now comes the third one

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because your emotions also do something when you have this peak experience

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And your emotions come in and celebrate

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"This was beautiful! Let's celebrate!"

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And this is the beginning and the seed of ritual

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Ritual is the celebration of mystic union

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And even if you're [...] of religion, again, many of you had a peak experience

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somewhere on a bench in one of those beautiful parks here

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in Moscow

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sitting on this bench and suddenly have this beautiful experience

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of Oneness with God

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Well, on your way to work you might want to make your little

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detour and visit this bench and

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just have another "Oh I sat on this bench and I had that good feeling"

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And every time you go by it would be that you have that good feeling again

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That is a little pilgrimage, so you have already a ritual in your life

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Or on your birthday you celebrate

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or on some anniversary you celebrate

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what happened then [...]

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And that is a really [...] calendar

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the beginning of it

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So from your own experience you know that

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inevitably from the peak experience, from the mystic experience springs all the elements that are associated with religion

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But now you [...] those on, and community takes over

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because religion is always a matter of community

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spirituality is also a matter of community

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And now the community as a whole sets limits

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and boxes things in

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and makes things hardened

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For instance, doctrine which formally just always referred you back

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and reminded you of the original mystical experience

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becomes doctrinea

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"And it has to be this way and everybody who says it differently must be wrong."

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So suddenly it has become dogma

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The same with ethics:

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Formally it was just one way of expressing

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how one acts [when one] belongs together

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Now it has to be done exactly this way it has always been done

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even though the circumstances have changed completely

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And that becomes now moralism

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—another "-ism"—and

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ritual which formally was the celebration, a spontaneous celebration

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often mystic experience in whatever form it needed to be celebrated

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and wanted to be celebrated

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suddenly has become "you have to do it exactly in this way"

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"and you have to hold your hands exactly in that way"

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"and you have to follow exactly in this way"

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"and walk exactly in this way"

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And suddenly it has become ritualism

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And this is no longer a ritual

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It is as if the life-giving waters, this gush full of the mystic experience

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suddenly freeze

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I see all these beautiful fountains here in Moscow

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And I imagined in winter either they shut them off

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or they are really ice sculptures—whatever happens—

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but I see some of the religions in the world

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and they're all not excluded

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in many ways like one of those frozen fountains

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So what do you do with frozen life-giving waters?

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You have to thaw it up again

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you make it liquid again

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How can we do that?

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Only with the warmth of our own heart

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Only with the love of our own heart

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And that's the only warmth that can turn frozen water

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living water, spiritual water

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into a life-giving water

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So religion is not simply like a train that you get on

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and then we'll get you there

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but it is a gift and at the same time a task

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It is the task to make it what it is meant to be

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It gives you watch, it gives you watch,

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it brings you watch from the original inspiration

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but you have to make it your own

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but with your own life

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brought with your own warmth of your own heart

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The two always go together

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So once we see that

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once we see how we get inevitably from

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the mystic experience to religion

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that we also see that [friending] God

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what is God

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is a task of the human heart

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is a task of our love

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And so we can ask now the question

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the second question

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We answered the question of [what] God [is], [that it's] an open-ended search

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And now we ask, "How do we experience God?"

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And here we could say

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—we could switch for a moment, I'm going to come back to the meaning

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when we answer the third question—

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But now try to answer the second question

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and there I would say

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How do we experience God—again, from your own experience

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You know that we live in a given world

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every moment is a given moment

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Your own being here is a given, as we say

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it's a given fact

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You have not made it, you have not earned it

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you haven't paid for it

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you haven't contributed to it

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It's given, it's simply here

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It's given.

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And that confronts us with [...] of experience of Divine

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and through grateful living

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if the whole world and everything in it

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is a given—and nobody can deny that!

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(you don't have to be of this religion or that religion, this conviction, that conviction

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this ethnic background or that)—

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Every human being would have to face the fact

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that we live in a given world

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If it's a given world

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then we can experience it through grateful living

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And the first thing that we experience

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is that it comes from a totally mysterious source

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which we could call the Source

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or the Giver

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if you want to personify it

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but there it is:

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we're [finding] ourselves in a given world

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and so that's this mysterious Giver

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this mysterious Source. We know nothing about

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except that if you explore it

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—science explores it, spirituality explores it, poetry explores it, arts and music

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everybody explores it—

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and [that's] more and ever more and ever more

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and becomes more

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And this dimension of more and ever more is one aspect

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of the Giver

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or the Source of everything

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But then out of this Source comes everything

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there is

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And of this everything there is

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there is also more and ever more; we come to no end

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the hundred thousand things

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as the Hindu tradition calls it

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There's more and ever more and ever more

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all of those

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are honest gifts that you and I, we are part of it

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And that is also divine in a sense because

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it'll never come to an end

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in that sense, divine.

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And that is the Gift.

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So we experience it more and ever more—which is a term for the Ultimate

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is a term for God—

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on the one hand, as the Source or the Giver

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on the other hand, as the Gift

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And now we can

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—The natural thing is to give it all back

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through this dynamic energy

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that wants to give it back

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and you don't have to say "Thank you!"

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Grandchildren show themselves grateful—they don't show themselves grateful by saying "Thank you"

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when you bring them the gift

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and they say "Thank you" but then play with something else

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you would say they were very well trained

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but you will not say they were very grateful

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But when they play with it!—they never say "thank you" but play with it all afternoon—

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you will afterward say they did really thankful work there

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so the same with us

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We don't have to say "Thank you"

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We don't even have to go to—

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we would want to go and sing praises

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but if you forget to do that—we show ourselves grateful by what we do

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A mother shows herself grateful by being a mother

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flower shows itself grateful by blooming

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these beautiful chrysanthemums here

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A bird shows herself grateful by singing

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A scientist shows himself grateful by doing science, and so forth

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A musician, by making music

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A dancer, the dancing

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We show ourselves grateful by what we do

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by this dynamic element

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Andrew Cohen spoke last night

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He spoke about the Unmanifest and the Manifest

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and this dynamic element

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The Unmanifest is the source from which everything comes

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The Manifest is everything there is

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and dynamics is the love and the creativity and all the energy that we put into it

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and those of you who are familiar with the Christian tradition

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inevitably have noticed already that what we are talking about is

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what in the Christian tradition we call God

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or Father

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I also say Mother

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Father, Mother, God, [...], Logos, and the Holy Spirit

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And you have this beautiful Rublyov icon of the Trinity

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and that is the most beautiful image of the Trinity that should come to mind in this context

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For what's important about this is that the moment we started asking

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how do we experience God

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We have gotten to a new emerging God-image

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and it is obvious emerging

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It is emerging in our time in this sense

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that more people than before become aware of it

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But it is obvious emerging

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You can say, and then we have emerged [...]

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No, it is emerging because you go on and on and on and on

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to ever new discoveries

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In that sense it's an open-ended notion of God

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an open-ended God view

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and it is a God view in which we are totally

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immersed

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It is no longer a God outside

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We can no longer live in our time

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when we know that everything hangs together with everything

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We can no longer with the God that is somebody else…